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Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

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873 points helsinkiandrew | 4 comments | 25 Sep 25 15:06 UTC | HN request time: 0.813s | source
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bArray ◴[25 Sep 25 16:11 UTC] No.45374662[source]▶
The issue that people have with Israel's actions is the death of civilians, not the death of Hamas, the widely recognised terrorist. I believe it also to be true that the IDF do not want to kill civilians, and that their target is only Hamas.

In which case, is it prudent to remove the IDF's ability to successfully target the correct people? Precise military intelligence is absolutely necessary for minimising civilian casualties.

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DSingularity ◴[25 Sep 25 16:18 UTC] No.45374764[source]▶
Israel claims that they “don’t want to kill civilians” but historically have not substantially changed course when the killings became grotesquely excessive. It’s also arguably true that they have never even sincerely investigated any issues.

Israel just gets more aggressive in the murder and bombing.

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FuriouslyAdrift[dead post] ◴[25 Sep 25 16:56 UTC] No.45375398[source]▶
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1. ribosometronome ◴[25 Sep 25 17:14 UTC] No.45375723[source]▶
Their source for deaths in Gaza is "CNN via IDF" but reading that article, it's actually an interview re: a specifically unconfirmed report from another news agency. Mixing that with data produced with very specific methodology, like they've done with the NIH data they're also using, seems like a bit of a faux pas.

Reent, published, actual figures (instead of ambiguously attributed early ones) show that they'd be up at the top end of the graph they've produced, not the bottom. https://www.theguardian.com/world/ng-interactive/2025/aug/21...

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2. tguvot ◴[25 Sep 25 18:54 UTC] No.45377221[source]▶
the only thing that those numbers mean it's how many of dead combatants IDF can identify/name.

if somebody killed holding RPG, he doesn't become civilian just because IDF doesn't know his name

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3. DSingularity ◴[26 Sep 25 19:02 UTC] No.45389865[source]▶
Maybe that applied then but does it apply now? Each of their soldiers wear cameras. They see it in hd anytime their soldiers shooting women, old men, children. I guess only their snipers are getting away with dropping civilians constantly (as many British and American doctors are testifying they saw in gazan hospitals). And on top of this their drones target with visual data. So they see that too.

I think in this war the IDF has a very very good idea of how many civilians they killed. At some point it indicates that they have set targets they are striving to meet before the world stops them.

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4. tguvot ◴[26 Sep 25 20:39 UTC] No.45390799{3}[source]▶
where from you got idea that each soldier wears camera ? from ukraine ? it's definitely not case in Israel.

doctors in hospital testify to something that they didn't see happening ?

and none from what you wrote contradicts that article/whatever parent posted is misleading