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    sharpshadow ◴[] No.45374509[source]
    It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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    lupusreal ◴[] No.45374749[source]
    Right of return for all Palestinians and their descendants, worldwide.
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    1. nailer ◴[] No.45375623[source]
    Also for the 850K middle eastern Jews that were kicked out of their countries by arabs?
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    2. octopoc ◴[] No.45375825[source]
    If committing genocide puts the genociders in a tough spot, then I’m actually cool with that
    3. ars ◴[] No.45375916[source]
    Can you please not post antisemitic tropes?
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    4. MSFT_Edging ◴[] No.45375981[source]
    On genetic terms, the Palestinians are virtually identical to Semitic Jews.

    There's been plenty of slander to try to say they're more arab, but they're essentially close cousins.

    Which leads one to believe, perhaps a large amount of the jews in the region simply moved on with the times with the new religion taking hold.

    Essentially Israel/Palestine is a fight between cousins, and one side's inlaws who never actually came from the region but converted elsewhere.

    So converts vs converts. Do the local converts have a say over the foreign converts?

    The idea that land rights can be derived from the bible or spans of 1000s of years is silly, but the ongoing ethnic cleansing of Palestine going back to 1945 is within living memory.

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    5. paxys ◴[] No.45376005{3}[source]
    It's not a "trope" but well documented history. The Edict of Expulsion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion) was issued in England in 1290 and was repeated across most of western Europe for the next several hundred years. And I'm assuming/hoping you don't deny all the atrocities against Jews from the early-mid 1900s in the same region.

    And it's pretty telling that you chose to say this to me and not the comment I replied to.

    6. hersko ◴[] No.45376022[source]
    Do you think Israelis are only from Europe? Seriously?
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    7. paxys ◴[] No.45376060{3}[source]
    You are the only one using the word "only".
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    9. hashim ◴[] No.45377806[source]
    Kicked out? Is that what you call the One Million Plan and all the other plans like it? They were imported there because that's been the MO of the state of Israel since the Irgun and Haganah first envisioned it.
    10. worik ◴[] No.45378295[source]
    > On genetic terms...

    ...race is fiction.

    Genetic analysis does not match "racial" classifications

    "Race" is a social construct

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    11. lupusreal ◴[] No.45379746{3}[source]
    They are predominantly so. Ashkenazi Jews are from Eastern Europe. Sephardic Jews are from Spain. Zionism as a movement was started in Europe by Europeans. Israel is a European colony state.
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    12. ars ◴[] No.45383852{4}[source]
    And presumably Mizrachi Jews don't exist?

    Don't fool yourself, you are repeating antisemitic slurs. The Jews in Israel never left, and Zionisim is something like 2,000 years old (it's as old the Babylonian exile). Israel is as far from "colony state" as you can get - it's literally the opposite, it's an example of the native people getting their own land back.

    13. MSFT_Edging ◴[] No.45385317{3}[source]
    I think you missed my point. I'm trying to say a people split, some left, some stayed. The part that left is now doing violence on the part that stayed, claiming ownership of the area.

    The goal of the genetic stuff is to point this split out, not delineate races.

    Sadly though, this conflict is full of racism. The Gazans are described as "Arabs" and therefore undeserving of the land. If it turns out the Gazans are not Arabs, but also locals to the region, then what does that mean?