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sharpshadow ◴[] No.45374509[source]
It would be only just if the Palestinians would get their own state after this.
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skinkestek[dead post] ◴[] No.45374724[source]
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1. tdeck ◴[] No.45374877[source]
You seem to be unaware of all the Palestinian hostages Israel has been taking for decades. Thousands of people locked up without trial or charges, many of them children. Please educate yourself.
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2. skinkestek ◴[] No.45374996[source]
You don't see the difference between imprisoning people that attack you and taking care of them (mostly, exceptions sadly exist)

and storming a music festival and houses to abduct completely innocent teenagers and even toddlers to use them for leverage?

Honestly?

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3. komali2 ◴[] No.45375079[source]
There is no justification for Israel's occupation and apartheid of Palestine. The attacks on civilians are unjustifiable as well but the trigger for them wasn't random - Hamas never would have come to power if Israel didn't occupy Palestine, let alone fund Hamas with the explicit stayed goal by Benjamin Netanyahu to divide Palestinian politics.

Look to Israel, the source of decades of suffering for everyone in the region, including its own citizens whom it exposes to retaliatory violence in response to the violence it delivers to its neighbors.

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4. tdeck ◴[] No.45375183[source]
Why do you use the term "completely innocent teenagers" only for Israelis? Are Palestinians teenagers guilty because of their ethnicity? Why do you ignore the many, many documented instances of torture in Israeli prisons, and the fact that the man who runs that prison system, Itamar Ben Gvir, idolizes a mass shooter who murdered Palestinians and has been convicted for supporting terrorism?
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5. 7952 ◴[] No.45375209[source]
Of course there is a difference. And if you did some kind of scoring exercise you may be able to say that one entity is objectively worse than the other. But so what? That score does not justify the killing of innocent people by either side.
6. skinkestek ◴[] No.45375899{3}[source]
The people at the Nova festival wasn't throwing rocks at police or military when they were abducted. Neither were they trying to smuggle bombs, slash throats, stab elderly or any of the other things Palestinian Arabs get locked up for.

That is what I meant by completely innocent.

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Also, any reason why you mention Ben Gvir but not the many Palestinian Arab leaders who says worse?

Any reason you don't mention the hundreds of thousands of Israelis who fill the street to protest its current government and the absolute lack of anyone who protests Hamas in the streets of Gaza?

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7. skinkestek ◴[] No.45375932{3}[source]
That would be a valid point if they were guilty of "occupation and apartheid of Palestine" and the situation wasn't just a military administration of land that has been unclaimed since 1917 and the collapse of the Ottoman empire.
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8. komali2 ◴[] No.45382692{4}[source]
Yes, I know you're deeply steeped in Israeli propaganda, that doesn't mean you have to function as a mouthpiece for it.

Hopefully you have decades left in your life. One from now, I would be immensely grateful if you emailed me and let me know your perspective on your past-self's defense of genocide.

9. tdeck ◴[] No.45387011{4}[source]
You just ignored the fact that the people Israel rounds up haven't been charged with a crime, let alone convicted. Israel rounded up 1500 people this month simply because they were Palestinian and live in a particular village.

https://www.democracynow.org/2025/9/12/headlines/israeli_for...

I guess to someone with your ideology collective punishment of Palestinians is normal day, but when the world sees it we are repulsed.