Microsoft blocks Israel’s use of its tech in mass surveillance of Palestinians

A little humility would be in order here. "I am not aware of this" is quite different than "there is no evidence whatsoever." The latter comment implies you are aware of the reporting and issues and have carefully weighed them.

This is something that has been discussed in major Israeli media publications.

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7. mrits ◴[25 Sep 25 15:41 UTC] No.45374158[source]▶

>>45373877 #

Such a Monday quarterback's perspective. There is always plenty of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack

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8. emsign ◴[25 Sep 25 15:41 UTC] No.45374171[source]▶

>>45373783 (TP) #

Or following up the reports of suspicious behavior in Gaza by your own IDF border troops days before the terror attack.

9. Braxton1980 ◴[25 Sep 25 15:42 UTC] No.45374186{4}[source]▶

>>45374031 #

This isn't evidence of a false flag attack. If I don't change the oil in my car because I'm lazy then my motor seizes I didn't "purposefully destroy my own car"

10. vovavili ◴[25 Sep 25 15:44 UTC] No.45374221[source]▶

>>45373903 #

What a foolish and unsubstantiated claim.

11. HappyPanacea ◴[25 Sep 25 15:46 UTC] No.45374246{4}[source]▶

>>45374031 #

These two link are not "government from staging a provocation".

12. dismalaf ◴[25 Sep 25 15:48 UTC] No.45374290{4}[source]▶

>>45374031 #

Yes, Netanyahu thought that pulling out of Gaza completely, giving them money and allowing them to hold jobs in Israel would improve their economic standing enough to make them docile enough to not attack. He was obviously wrong.

And preferring them to the PLO in the wake of the second intifada was reasonable. All Palestinian groups claim to want to kill all Jews, but at that point in time the PLO had actually done it for decades. For the record, the PLO still has the pay-to-slay program...

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13. yamazakiwi ◴[25 Sep 25 15:52 UTC] No.45374340{3}[source]▶

>>45374158 #

The amount of intelligence to suggest there will be an attack on specific places at specific times is contextual and not comparably equal.

Every time I hear or read that expression, I stop taking the comment seriously because it attempts to shut down dialogue with a cute, esoteric phrase instead of fostering a discussion about a serious retrospective.

14. tiahura ◴[25 Sep 25 15:53 UTC] No.45374361[source]▶

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I really don't care. I'm just pointing out that surveillance often means thing get nipped in the bud instead of festering and blowing up.

15. HappyPanacea ◴[25 Sep 25 15:58 UTC] No.45374439{4}[source]▶

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> A little humility would be in order here.

You couldn't know (but you could have guessed) this but as an Israeli I'm well aware what appeared in major Israeli media publications and this didn't.

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16. dragonwriter ◴[25 Sep 25 15:58 UTC] No.45374440{5}[source]▶

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Israel, despite its PR, never actually took its foot off Gaza conpletely, continuing regular unprovoked cross-border killings of civilians within Gaza, among other means of exercising control and preventing economic development and activity (though for preventing economic activity specifically, other means were more significant, mainly the intermittent blockade before 2007 and the full blockade from 2007 on.)

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17. I-M-S ◴[25 Sep 25 16:05 UTC] No.45374572{5}[source]▶

>>45374439 #

A fish in an aquarium doesn't see water.

18. zeroonetwothree ◴[25 Sep 25 16:08 UTC] No.45374614[source]▶

>>45373903 #

this site is going downhill quickly if we’re moving into conspiracy theories like this

19. NooneAtAll3 ◴[25 Sep 25 16:13 UTC] No.45374688{3}[source]▶

>>45373951 #

it's not false flag attack to know everything about preparation to the attack and then moving all protections away to let it happen

it's straight up worse

20. n1b0m ◴[25 Sep 25 16:17 UTC] No.45374752{5}[source]▶

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Netanyahu preferred Hamas to the PLO in order to guarantee that no unified Palestinian movement might arise. The way to do that, according to Netanyahu, was to strengthen the Islamist Hamas in Gaza at the expense of its rival, the Fatah-dominated PLO in the West Bank.

“Anyone who wants to prevent the creation of a Palestinian state needs to support strengthening Hamas,” said Netanyahu at a Likud party meeting in 2019. “This is part of our strategy, to divide the Palestinians between those in Gaza and those in Judea and Samaria.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/21/the-netanyahu-...

21. dismalaf ◴[25 Sep 25 16:46 UTC] No.45375229{6}[source]▶

>>45374440 #

> unprovoked

Your bias is showing...

"Unprovoked", except the regular rocket attacks and other acts of terrorism.

Israel actually put up with a lot, way more than any other country would, because they had the Iron Dome.

22. fph ◴[25 Sep 25 17:24 UTC] No.45375924[source]▶

>>45373783 (TP) #

Ah, yes, the classic argument: we must ramp up surveillance because it is the only way to stop pedophiles, terrorists, and pirates.

23. buyucu ◴[26 Sep 25 07:22 UTC] No.45383752[source]▶

>>45373783 (TP) #

Egyptian intelligence informed Israel before October 7. Israel chose to let it happen anyway: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67082047

Israeli government wanted October 7 to happen, because they knew it would provide a good pretext for the genocide they wanted to commit.