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taurath ◴[] No.45340733[source]
If we get serious about actual rehabilitation in prisons instead of punishment there’s never been a better time to be able to learn just about anything on your own time. But we’d have to stop dehumanizing criminals. Dehumanization seems to be the trend that the US is leading on right now.

We can also be concerned about the incentives for prison labor - for profit prisons and all the many service providers that get paid a mint. Phone calls in many prisons are like $10. Labor gangs and the such. It’s just horrible how badly we treat people in the US for some middleman to make money.

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mullingitover ◴[] No.45341060[source]
There are also perverse electoral incentives to having a prison in your voting district. Generally the prisoners count toward your population numbers but they can’t vote. No pesky three fifths compromise.
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Terr_ ◴[] No.45341134[source]
If I had my 'druthers, disenfranchisement for felonies is anti-democratic nonsense, so people in prison should retain voting rights.

The only ethically-hard problem is which jurisdiction their vote should count in, since they cannot demonstrate it by choosing where to live. Perhaps a choice between:

1. The location of the prison, if their main interest is the conditions of their detention rather than anything outside.

2. The location of their property or close family, because they're still paying property-taxes or school levies etc. and they will be returning there later.

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dylan604 ◴[] No.45341246[source]
I've never understood the not allowing felons to vote, even while incarcerated. Does serving time really mean you should not get the same say in leaders as everyone else? As if being incarcerated isn't punishment enough, but disenfranchising on top just seems over the top.

Many people live in an area, but keep their voting registration in another. They are even able to vote without having to return to their registered polling place. Allowing inmates to vote could just as easily be handled the same way.

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Loughla ◴[] No.45341402[source]
Poor people and minorities are who are in prison. Removing voting rights from those groups is a feature, not a flaw, in my opinion.

To be clear, I'm saying it's garbage, but it's garbage very much on purpose.

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1. dylan604 ◴[] No.45341708[source]
We’re in agreement here. Just like the bail system. Working as intended if not as designed.
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2. jprd ◴[] No.45341828[source]
Exactly. It is a form of modern day slavery in many US states.
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3. toss1 ◴[] No.45347393[source]
Just wait until the current regime finishes their plans, which include hacking the exception in Section 1 of the Thirteenth Amendment [0] to bring back slavery for prisoners.

>> Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

The person occupying the Vice President's chair stated clearly [1] "Medicaid cuts in Senate tax bill 'immaterial' compared to ICE increases".

They aren't building all those for-profit prisons for nothing.

Beware.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirteenth_Amendment_to_the_Un...

[1] https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/07/01/vanc...