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taurath ◴[] No.45340733[source]
If we get serious about actual rehabilitation in prisons instead of punishment there’s never been a better time to be able to learn just about anything on your own time. But we’d have to stop dehumanizing criminals. Dehumanization seems to be the trend that the US is leading on right now.

We can also be concerned about the incentives for prison labor - for profit prisons and all the many service providers that get paid a mint. Phone calls in many prisons are like $10. Labor gangs and the such. It’s just horrible how badly we treat people in the US for some middleman to make money.

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themafia ◴[] No.45340824[source]
If you want rehabilitation then you should ensure that they're working for more than slave wages and that money is set aside to be available to them upon their release.

Ensuring they can communicate with their families at no charge would be a huge plus as well.

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JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45340829[source]
Do we have high-quality studies on what facilitates rehabilitation?
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Teever ◴[] No.45340889[source]
I would imagine that the best data comes from places that have the highest rates of rehabilitation and lowest rates of re-offending. As usual the Nordic countries seem to have this stuff figured out.[0]

https://ora.ox.ac.uk/objects/uuid%3A42e604d8-31d0-4067-a08c-...

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1. simonsarris ◴[] No.45341385[source]
I imagine Norwegian-American recidivism rates are comparable to Norwegian rates.

Just like Swedish-American homelessness rates are comparable to homelessness rates in Sweden, etc.

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2. JumpCrisscross ◴[] No.45341435[source]
> Just like Swedish-American homelessness rates are comparable to homelessness rates in Sweden

...are they? (Serious question.)

(Note: "There was no significant difference in rates of lifetime adult homelessness between foreign-born adults and native-born adults (1.0% vs 1.7%). Foreign-born participants were less likely to have various mental and substance-use disorders, less likely to receive welfare, and less likely to have any lifetime incarceration. The number of years foreign-born adults lived in the United States was significantly associated with risk for homelessness" [1])

[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S00333...