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Tesla's 'self-driving' software fails at train crossings

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22 points Veserv | 5 comments | 17 Sep 25 17:42 UTC | HN request time: 0s | source
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BinaryIgor ◴[17 Sep 25 17:56 UTC] No.45279131[source]▶
I sometimes wonder whether we will ever solve all edge cases like the one described here; maybe, autonomous driving will always remain semi and almost there, but never quite fully
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1. Zigurd ◴[17 Sep 25 18:51 UTC] No.45279855[source]▶
Fully enough for SFO: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45264562

And Nashville: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45275415

Waymo actually works, and is likely to be at or near breakeven financially.

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2. yorwba ◴[17 Sep 25 19:03 UTC] No.45280002[source]▶
Waymo uses remote operators to resolve situations that the car can't handle on its own (maybe that includes train crossings), so it doesn't need to be fully self-driving: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/05/fleet-response/

The SFO permit also involves an initial phase using human safety drivers in the car: https://www.sf.gov/news-mayor-lurie-takes-key-step-toward-la...

Waymo actually works because they don't insist on automating what they cannot automate safely yet.

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3. Zigurd ◴[17 Sep 25 19:32 UTC] No.45280392[source]▶
Nobody hasn't got remote operators. The difference is whether there are a few enough of them for the fleet that scaling service areas doesn't break the bank.
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4. yorwba ◴[17 Sep 25 20:41 UTC] No.45281140{3}[source]▶
Does Tesla have remote operators for their "FSD" cars sold to private individuals? That would be news to me.
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5. Zigurd ◴[17 Sep 25 21:45 UTC] No.45281763{4}[source]▶
FSD for private cars requires you to be the monitor. Not remotely. But sitting right there in the driver's seat with your eyes being monitored for attention.

Tesla Robo taxis have remote monitors and have a safety driver, either in the passenger seat or in the driver's seat.

I've seen it suggested that Tesla remotely monitors demo rides. But they don't officially say so.