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NitpickLawyer ◴[] No.45066063[source]
Tested this yesterday with Cline. It's fast, works well with agentic flows, and produces decent code. No idea why this thread is so negative (also got flagged while I was typing this?) but it's a decent model. I'd say it's at or above gpt5-mini level, which is awesome in my book (I've been maining gpt5-mini for a few weeks now, does the job on a budget).

Things I noted:

- It's fast. I tested it in EU tz, so ymmv

- It does agentic in an interesting way. Instead of editing a file whole or in many places, it does many small passes.

- Had a feature take ~110k tokens (parsing html w/ bs4). Still finished the task. Didn't notice any problems at high context.

- When things didn't work first try, it created a new file to test, did all the mocking / testing there, and then once it worked edited the main module file. Nice. GPT5-mini would often times edit working files, and then get confused and fail the task.

All in all, not bad. At the price point it's at, I could see it as a daily driver. Even agentic stuff w/ opus + gpt5 high as planners and this thing as an implementer. It's fast enough that it might be worth setting it up in parallel and basically replicate pass@x from research.

IMO it's good to have options at every level. Having many providers fight for the market is good, it keeps them on their toes, and brings prices down. GPT5-mini is at 2$/MTok, this is at 1.5$/MTok. This is basically "free", in the great scheme of things. I ndon't get the negativity.

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jameshart ◴[] No.45067602[source]
If the Grok brand wasn’t terminally tarnished for you by the ‘mechahitler’ incident, I’m not sure what more it would take.

This is an offering being produced by a company whose idea of responsible AI use involves prompting a chatbot that “You spend a lot of time on 4chan, watching InfoWars videos” - https://www.404media.co/grok-exposes-underlying-prompts-for-...

A lot of people rightly don’t want any such thing anywhere near their code.

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1. jameshart ◴[] No.45067982[source]
Thanks for the reminder. I don’t need to leave that there for discoverability any more.
2. czottmann ◴[] No.45067983[source]
It's the equivalent of "voting with your wallet". Or "giving market share with your wallet".

Context matters, not just for LLMs themselves. And Grok/X/Twitter's context is tarnished indeed for a lot of us.

3. lovich ◴[] No.45068163[source]
Excuse me sir, this is a forum for yCombinator backed startups. The technical aspect is a historical novelty, if they could make money without it, they would
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4. cft ◴[] No.45068188[source]
The forum for YC backed startups is not public. This is effectively an indirect tech recruitment board for those start-ups, sir.
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5. lovich ◴[] No.45068294{3}[source]
Youre right, with a dash of hype machine for their launches
6. const_cast ◴[] No.45068344[source]
Yes, being anti-nazi, what a... virtue? I guess?
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7. jjangkke ◴[] No.45068481[source]
Elon Musk is not a nazi.
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8. Revisional_Sin ◴[] No.45068552{3}[source]
Then why did he publicly do a Nazi salute?
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9. jjangkke ◴[] No.45068575{4}[source]
He did not do a Nazi salute because otherwise ADL would've been all over him. ADL came out saying he didn't do a Nazi salute.
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10. jameshart ◴[] No.45068580{3}[source]
While this point might be open to debate, the original claim, which I definitely stand by, was not that Musk is a Nazi, but rather that xAI have put out a product under the grok brand which manifestly promoted nazi ideas.

If Musk is not in favor of those ideas he might need to work a bit harder to make that clear, because he does tend to leave people with the impression he’s okay with it.

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11. jjangkke ◴[] No.45068608{4}[source]
A prompt was edited by an xAI staff that caused xAI to ignore the politically correct filter, how is Elon Musk responsible for this ?
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12. const_cast ◴[] No.45068678{3}[source]
He's not very good at demonstrating that.

I don't know man. For like... the other 7 billion people on Earth it seems preeeetty easy for them not to be confused with a Nazi.

Seems to me just Elon has that issue. I've never had that issue. I don't know anyone who's has that issue. So, it makes you wonder.

13. iamdelirium ◴[] No.45068729{5}[source]
The ADL is not the final arbitrator of what is a Nazi salute and what isn't.
14. subsection1h ◴[] No.45069055[source]
> This is a forum for tech-related discussions, not a venue for your virtue signaling.

LOL. Says the guy who wrote, "Modern local religion (at least in the US) is neomarxism":

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31025588

15. lovich ◴[] No.45069620{5}[source]
Isn’t he the CEO and owner? I thought their massive wealth and control was morally ok because they carried the responsibility for the companies actions at the end of the day.

Guess you can have the power and no responsibility! Always someone else’s fault!

16. sjsdaiuasgdia ◴[] No.45069644{5}[source]
He's the CEO, and there's now been a few "oh geez some rogue employee made grok say white supremacist stuff, we totally didn't mean for it to say that!" moments.

If the management isn't fixing the problems that led to those events, the management is responsible.

17. Revisional_Sin ◴[] No.45069681{5}[source]
And they were criticised for this by many other Jewish organisations.
18. KingMob ◴[] No.45073511{5}[source]
The ADL's morally bankrupt calculus is that they value support for Israel more, so they covered for Musk as long as he supports Israel. Which sadly, makes the rest of us less safe.