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    1. thanatos_dem ◴[] No.45067089[source]
    Allowlist is arguably fitting for a list of things which are allowed.
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    2. IshKebab ◴[] No.45067786[source]
    It's called a whitelist. A perfectly good word that isn't racist and one that normal people are quite happy to use. As far as I can tell the allow/blocklist craze hasn't made it out of the software world.
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    3. krapp ◴[] No.45068117{3}[source]
    Both whitelist and allowlist are equally normal and good.

    It's weird that people will claim that "politics" have no place in software while insisting that there is one and only one term "normal" people should use because the politics of the people who object to it are bad and wrong.

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    4. xdennis ◴[] No.45068492[source]
    There are so many terms in software which are nonsensical (starting with "computer science") which could be fixed.

    The problem with changing whitelist to "allowlist" is that it implies that people who use whitelist are racists. You're not just virtue signaling (and confusing my spellchecker) but causing discord.

    It would be perfectly fine if people switched to "allowlist" because they think it's a better term, but that's not the reason. They do it because they want to virtue signal or they're afraid of their peers (because they'll be called racists).

    Using "allowlist" is actually bad because it gives agitators power and they keep changing more words to get more power.

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    5. Bender ◴[] No.45068632[source]
    Off topic but are people ever going to give up on this nonsense?

    /shrug. FoxReplace [1] is a simple way to remove compelled speech from the internet for the client. People do not even realize when they say "Fart", I see "Fart". No idea if Chrome has an addon like this.

    [1] - https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/foxreplace/

    6. zzo38computer ◴[] No.45068634{4}[source]
    I agree that both words are good, but there is a difference.

    Whitelist means that anything explicitly listed (in the "whitelist" or "allow list") is allowed (or included, etc) and other stuff is disallowed (or excluded) by default (although in some cases, a program (or something else) might ask instead of forcibly blocking access). It is a compound word; you should not use a space or hyphen. (Using two words "white list" may be appropriate when you are refering to colours, e.g. the white list includes the list of whatever documents are to be copied on white paper, or "white list" might mean the list that is printed on white paper.)

    Allow list (I do not like the compound word; I think they should be separated and it looks better that way) is the list of what is allowed. (So, normally, this would mean that other stuff is not allowed, so it is still whitelisting.)

    In situations where colours would be involved and using words such as "whitelist" would be confusing, such words should be avoided, in order to avoid confusion.

    7. zzo38computer ◴[] No.45068674{3}[source]
    I think that you are right. "Allow list" (or, in some contexts, "inclusion list") would be a better term, especially in contexts where colours are involved and it would be confusing.

    The reasons that they usually actually have are not very good though, like you say, but nevertheless sometimes it can result in something better and sometimes not. But, banning words is not the solution, though.

    8. IshKebab ◴[] No.45069197{4}[source]
    > Both whitelist and allowlist are equally normal and good.

    Good is debatable, but normal?? No, obviously not. One is a word that has been around for over a hundred years and is understood by everyone that speaks English; the other is like 4 years old and only used by some software nerds. 90% of normal people would not know what it means.

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    9. krapp ◴[] No.45069500{5}[source]
    90% of normal people have never heard of a whitelist either, but any English speaker could intuit what "allowlist" means more easily that "whitelist" without context. And both are technical terms of art in the context of this conversation, so what 90% of normal people would or wouldn't understand isn't even relevant.

    And "enshittification" is even newer than "allowlist" and it's practically mainstream.

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    10. thanatos_dem ◴[] No.45070025{3}[source]
    It’s an interesting time we live in.

    I personally don’t assume people who use whitelist are racist, or those who allowlist are virtue signaling.

    However, I certainly do assume that people who chastise others for using “whitelist” are virtue signaling, and those who deride people for using “allowlist” are racist.

    Both are easily understood and I generally assume good intention from people. Just live and let live.

    11. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.45070103{6}[source]
    > any English speaker could intuit what "allowlist" means more easily that "whitelist" without context

    That is not true IMO. Blacklist is a standard English word that any native speaker would know; whitelist (while not as standard) is easy to extrapolate from that.

    12. bigstrat2003 ◴[] No.45070136{3}[source]
    That is exactly why I hate "allowlist", "main" instead of "master", and so on. The reason they were proposed is because some people were trying to play dominance games with grievance politics. We should attempt to resist such bad faith tactics, not propagate them. And yes, unfortunately that means I have to take a stand on something that is otherwise inconsequential. But such is the price of pushing back on self-righteous prigs who are trying to police terms of art.
    13. positiveblue ◴[] No.45070299[source]
    I could not give less of a shit between whitelist/allowlist. I use them indistinctly.

    You can sleep peacefully today but you should try to don't over stress from how other people write on the internet