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Valve confirms credit card companies pressured it to delist certain adult games

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875 points freedomben | 10 comments | 18 Jul 25 15:54 UTC | HN request time: 0.818s | source | bottom
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miiiiiike ◴[19 Jul 25 01:02 UTC] No.44611570[source]▶
Look. Ignore the content. Why the fuck do we allow credit card companies have a say in how we spend our money?

Fraud? Abuse? Fine, let me put cash onto a card and if that card gets stolen, oh well, my loss. Mastercard should have no say in what what speech is considered acceptable outside of their offices. We don't care what execs at a water company think? Why do we care about the people at Mastercard?

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1. amelius ◴[19 Jul 25 08:19 UTC] No.44613595[source]▶
> Why the fuck do we allow credit card companies have a say in how we spend our money?

Because sadly 80% of people are sheep. Same reason we allow a company to decide what we can and cannot install on our smartphones.

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2. 9dev ◴[19 Jul 25 09:27 UTC] No.44613913[source]▶
No, don’t follow the underdog fallacy. What are you doing against it? How are you different from the other sheep? Merely complaining doesn’t make you any better.
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3. kergonath ◴[19 Jul 25 09:34 UTC] No.44613945[source]▶
When I buy an iPhone I am dealing with Apple. I know what I am buying and what I can or cannot do with the device. And if I am not happy there are alternatives.

When I buy stuff on Steam I am in no way making a contract with Visa. When Visa strong arms Valve to delist games I lose even if I never had any relation with Visa ever.

It really is not comparable.

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4. 93po ◴[19 Jul 25 12:20 UTC] No.44614908[source]▶
youre allowed to be critical of things while still using said things. i have 8 million things going on in my life and the hill i die on isnt going to be the working conditions of humans that make iphones
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5. amelius ◴[19 Jul 25 14:10 UTC] No.44615616[source]▶
Following your argument ... then don't choose Steam, there are plenty of alternatives! /s

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Traitor...

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6. 9dev ◴[19 Jul 25 15:29 UTC] No.44616337{3}[source]▶
Sure you are, but don’t call others out for being complacent then.
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7. kergonath ◴[19 Jul 25 15:35 UTC] No.44616390{3}[source]▶
No, you misread. I have a commercial relation with Steam and I am happy for them to chose what game they sell and what game they don’t (and as a matter of fact I buy more games on gog than on Steam). I don’t have a relation with Visa and I object to them exercising any control over what I can or cannot buy.
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8. amelius ◴[19 Jul 25 16:11 UTC] No.44616715{4}[source]▶
When I buy an Apple phone, it is my phone and Apple should not be able to exercise any control over who I do business with on said phone.

However, I get the eerie feeling that I didn't buy a product even though I paid for it and I subscribed to some service instead.

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9. kergonath ◴[19 Jul 25 17:42 UTC] No.44617583{5}[source]▶
Again, that is not the point I am making. I am not even necessarily disagreeing with you on that point. I am merely pointing out that I am perfectly able to make a rational compromise and that it does not mean that I accept a random company interfering with my life. If you have something to say on that, fine. Otherwise, what is the point?
10. pixl97 ◴[19 Jul 25 18:13 UTC] No.44617900{4}[source]▶
Why not? Being hypocritical doesn't mean you're wrong...