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biotechbio ◴[] No.44609723[source]
Some thoughts on this as someone working on circulating-tumor DNA for the last decade or so:

- Sure, cancer can develop years before diagnosis. Pre-cancerous clones harboring somatic mutations can exist for decades before transformation into malignant disease.

- The eternal challenge in ctDNA is achieving a "useful" sensitivity and specificity. For example, imagine you take some of your blood, extract the DNA floating in the plasma, hybrid-capture enrich for DNA in cancer driver genes, sequence super deep, call variants, do some filtering to remove noise and whatnot, and then you find some low allelic fraction mutations in TP53. What can you do about this? I don't know. Many of us have background somatic mutations speckled throughout our body as we age. Over age ~50, most of us are liable to have some kind of pre-cancerous clones in the esophagus, prostate, or blood (due to CHIP). Many of the popular MCED tests (e.g. Grail's Galleri) use signals other than mutations (e.g. methylation status) to improve this sensitivity / specificity profile, but I'm not convinced its actually good enough to be useful at the population level.

- The cost-effectiveness of most follow on screening is not viable for the given sensitivity-specificity profile of MCED assays (Grail would disagree). To achieve this, we would need things like downstream screening to be drastically cheaper, or possibly a tiered non-invasive screening strategy with increasing specificity to be viable (e.g. Harbinger Health).

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im3w1l ◴[] No.44612114[source]
Long term the goal should be to find a treatment that is safe enough and with so small side effects that it can be used for any suspicious mutations even though it may be decades away from killing you.
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1. aetherspawn ◴[] No.44612486[source]
Yes.. as I read the OP post I was thinking about how many weak natural poisons (ie bloodroot) have been shown to be effective at dispersing through the body and how they might be a good treatment ie 1-2 month course of pills.