Shutting Down Clear Linux OS

How much notice did ppl get when sacked?

A week, maybe 2 for this last round? They were announced on the 13th I believe, for "mid July" layoffs.

From my experience, none. "Utterly unfortunately, today was your last day with the company. A separation agreement has been sent to your personal email. Your corporate access is being revoked. Thank you for your contribution!"

Being fired for poor performance is all about ample warnings, issuing a PIP, etc. The company wants the employee back on track. Being laid off is a situation that an employee cannot fix with their efforts. There's no incentive to work this week if it is already known that you are going to be laid off next week, but some employees might consider a prank or even minor sabotage as a helpless act of protest. It's safest to dismiss the laid-off ASAP.

hopefully no notice. employed people need to maintain savings for a rainy day in case they are suddenly unable to work, which can happen for any number of reasons, many of which have nothing to do with the company.

telling struggling companies that they need to keep savings around so they can pay a bunch of employees when the company already knows that nothing will come of that work is silly.

you can keep money in the left pocket or the right pocket, it's the same amount of money. But saying "keep double money in both pockets" makes no sense, it's inefficient. money is not easy to come by. because companies operate at a larger scale, over many employees, it seems like they have money all over the place, but most company are capital constrained all the time. (companies that are not capital constrained often pursue foolish ideas, too much expansion, etc.)

it's just a question of what the social contract is, and making the social contract be "employees can be as irresponsible as they want, somebody else will take care of it" sets a bad standard. Employers would rather hire responsible employees, and being responsible to yourself and your family is step one; and without regard to what employers want, it will make you a better person.

"Employees might sabotage stuff" is something parroted constantly and there's never any proof it is a significant issue.

A single person can cause a lot of damage.

Maybe it's time for me to stop using this website

This[0] is just the first result searching and it is from this week too. But it is not uncommon. Insider threats to infrastructure exist at all times of course but a disgruntled employee with administrative access and knowledge of the infrastructure can do a lot of damage quickly.

[0]: https://flaglerlive.com/it-attack-firing/

It's not common, but it absolutely happens: https://www.courthousenews.com/man-behind-s-f-system-lockout...

Early in my career in the mid 2000s, the startup that was on the same floor as mine laid off a QA person, who then showed up the next day and fatally shot the CEO and head of HR. Our CEO called me and told me not to come in that day.

Why won't someone think of the poor struggling companies!!

    but most company are capital constrained all the time.

Most employees are capital constrained at all times. The median American has $8000 in savings, and 30% have <$500.

It’s also not legal in much of the world to do that, thankfully. There’s weeks/months to negotiate collectively with the company, possibly organise a strike with those not at risk of redundancy or even just to say goodbye to coworkers.

I rarely resort to this sort of comment online, but I feel it is warranted in this case: fuck you.

you seem angry

if your goal is healthy companies that can hire employees and give the employees what employees want (jobs, if you got lost) then don't saddle companies with extra expenses that are not productive. giving employees a bonus for non productive activity on top of the company's failure is just stupid.

if immigrants with menial jobs can save money and even send money back home to their families, so can higher status employees.

This works if you have a trade union. I'd hazard to say that at least 99% of software engineers in the US work on "at-will" employment agreements, and do not belong to any unions.

A separation agreement usually stipulates paying 2-3 months worth of salary, and extending the benefits similarly. I don't see how it is worse than spending a couple of extra weeks in the office, and receiving the same.

(Also note that employees that are harder to lay off also get hired with much more reluctance.)

PIP is not “wants the employee back on track”. It’s “documentation of a performance problem and good faith attempt at remedy to justify firing”.

you seem to be posting bait.