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EPA says it will eliminate its scientific research arm

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240 points anigbrowl | 9 comments | 18 Jul 25 23:00 UTC | HN request time: 0.923s | source | bottom
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jleyank ◴[19 Jul 25 00:00 UTC] No.44611189[source]▶
It's really depressing how the US system seems to have existed "on belief". Once somebody set out to damage or destroy it, away it went. Pretty much without a whimper.

As I recall, the system was set up with 3 branches of government in tension. Obviously, that was naive.

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jabjq ◴[19 Jul 25 00:06 UTC] No.44611243[source]▶
The system has existed on the taxpayer. Now the taxpayer has voted to get rid of it.
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1. ujkhsjkdhf234 ◴[19 Jul 25 00:14 UTC] No.44611285[source]▶
The taxpayer was lied to repeatedly and under the belief of many many many lies, unwittingly voted to get rid of it.
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2. jabjq ◴[19 Jul 25 00:16 UTC] No.44611293[source]▶
Democracy is good until the public votes for something unpalatable. In that case they were lied to and/or they are unfit to choose for themselves.
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3. ujkhsjkdhf234 ◴[19 Jul 25 00:18 UTC] No.44611310[source]▶
Are you saying they weren't lied to? Like Trump saying he knew nothing about Project 2025 which was a lie.
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4. intended ◴[19 Jul 25 00:27 UTC] No.44611362[source]▶
We can actually show that the American public are lied to, and continue to be lied to.

Yes - I can get the point you are making - “democracy for me but not for thee” is BS. Sure!

But the evidence is that theres one media network which is simply selling whatever story works, along side a 50+ year effort to kill trust in institutions. We can even show that the republican machinery gave up on bipartisanship - hell, it’s even public knowledge.

But that wouldn’t make a whit of a difference to voting patterns, or your point. Because your point doesn’t need to be based in the long history of complicated malfeasance that rots all English speaking democracies. It’s anchored in your current state and argument.

So yeah, people voted.

5. throwawaymaths ◴[19 Jul 25 00:46 UTC] No.44611488[source]▶
well the republican party has been talking for decades about removing EPA, DOE, etc. and has gotten lots of votes on those premises, so "they" make good on that promise and now the "voter has been lied to"? you could have made the same claim if the republicabs did nothing.
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6. beej71 ◴[19 Jul 25 03:19 UTC] No.44612285[source]▶
The lie is that getting rid of these agencies is a good thing.
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7. const_cast ◴[19 Jul 25 04:33 UTC] No.44612628[source]▶
> unpalatable

See, this is a weasel word. Nobody said it was unpalatable, they said it was bad, because it is.

Do you want bad things to happen? No? Okay then, everyone should be on the same page.

8. tbrownaw ◴[19 Jul 25 05:59 UTC] No.44612947{3}[source]▶
Saying that something is good (or bad) feels more like an "ought" statement than a proper "is" statement, ie not in a category that's capable of being a lie.
9. nosianu ◴[19 Jul 25 11:10 UTC] No.44614482{3}[source]▶
> Are you saying they weren't lied to?

I think Trump & team have been very open about their intentions. There's even his entire first presidency to look at. At most, some of his voters might be surprised that he actually follows through on exactly what he promised (for example some of those voting for him now surprised about being targeted by ICE, including farmers fearing for their cheap workforce).

So sure, lots of lies, on the other hand and at the same time everything was planned and prepared quite openly.