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chvid ◴[] No.44608425[source]
Why does meta need to sign anything? I thought the EU made laws that anyone operating in the EU including meta had to comply to.
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1. AIPedant ◴[] No.44608450[source]
It's not a law, it's a voluntary code of conduct given heft by EU endorsement.
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2. FirmwareBurner ◴[] No.44608551[source]
> it's a voluntary code of conduct

So then it's something completely worthless in the globally competitive cutthroat business world, that even the companies who signed won't follow, they just signed it for virtue signaling.

If you want companies to actually follow a rule, you make it a law and you send their CEOs to jail when they break it.

"Voluntary codes of conduct" have less value in the business world than toilet paper. Zuck was just tired of this performative bullshit and said the quiet part out loud.

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3. AIPedant ◴[] No.44609215[source]
No, it's a voluntary code of conduct so AI providers can start implementing changes before the conduct becomes a legal requirement, and so the code itself can be updated in the face of reality before legislators have to finalize anything. The EU does not have foresight into what reasonable laws should look like, they are nervous about unintended consequences, and they do not want to drive good-faith organizations away, they are trying to do this correctly.

This cynical take seems wise and world-weary but it is just plain ignorant, please read the link.

4. hopelite ◴[] No.44611054[source]
“Heft of EU endorsement.” It’s amazing how Europeans have simply acquiesced to an illegitimate EU imitation government simply saying, “We dictate your life now!”.

European aristocrats just decided that you shall now be subjects again and Europeans said ok. It’s kind of astonishing how easy it was, and most Europeans I met almost violently reject that notion in spite of the fact that it’s exactly what happened as they still haven’t even really gotten an understanding for just how much Brussels is stuffing them.

In a legitimate system it would need to be up to each sovereign state to decide something like that, but in contrast to the US, there is absolutely nothing that limits the illegitimate power grab of the EU.

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5. RandomThoughts3 ◴[] No.44611211[source]
> in contrast to the US, there is absolutely nothing that limits the illegitimate power grab of the EU.

I am happy to inform you that the EU actually works according to treaties which basically cover every point of a constitution and has a full set of courts of law ensuring the parliament and the European executive respect said treaties and allowing European citizens to defend their interests in case of overreach.

> European aristocrats just decided

I am happy to inform you that the European Union has a democratically elected parliament voting its laws and that the head of commission is appointed by democratically elected heads of states and commissioners are confirmed by said parliament.

If you still need help with any other basic fact about the European Union don’t hesitate to ask.

6. aosaigh ◴[] No.44612069[source]
You don’t understand the fundamental structure of the EU
7. sameermanek ◴[] No.44614248[source]
Honestly, US is really not in a good shape to support your argument.

If aristocratic figures had so much power in EU, they wouldnt be fleeing from the union.

In reality, US is plagued with greed, scams, mafias in all sectors, human rights violations and a economy thats like a house of cards. In contrast, you feel human when you're in EU. You have voice, rights and common sense!

It definitely has its flaws, but atleast the presidents there are not rug pulling their own citizens and giving pardons to crypto scammers.. Right?

8. marcosdumay ◴[] No.44616902[source]
It's a chance for the business to try out the rules, so they can have an informed opinion and make useful feedback when the EU turn it into an actual law. And also so they don't have to scramble to compile once they suddenly become biding.

But well, I wouldn't expect Meta to sign into it either.