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    1. vanderZwan ◴[] No.44608123[source]
    I admit that I am biased enough to immediately expect the AI agreement to be exactly what we need right now if this is how Meta reacts to it. Which I know is stupid because I genuinely have no idea what is in it.
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    2. mhitza ◴[] No.44608204[source]
    There seem to be 3 chapters of this "AI Code of Practice" https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/contents-c... and it's drafting history https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/ai-code-pr...

    I did not read it yet, only familiar with the previous AI Act https://artificialintelligenceact.eu/ .

    If I'd were to guess Meta is going to have a problem with chapter 2 of "AI Code of Practice" because it deals with copyright law, and probably conflicts with their (and others approach) of ripping text out of copyrighted material (is it clear yet if it can be called fair use?)

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    3. jahewson ◴[] No.44608337[source]
    > is it clear yet if it can be called fair use?

    Yes.

    https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyrig...

    Though the EU has its own courts and laws.

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    4. dmbche ◴[] No.44608417{3}[source]
    District judge pretrial ruling on June 25th, I'd be surprised this doesn't get challenged soon in higher courts.

    And acquiring the copyrighted materials is still illegal - this is not a blanket protection for all AI training on copyrighted materials

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    6. thewebguyd ◴[] No.44610548{4}[source]
    Even if it gets challenged successfully (and tbh I hope it does), the damage is already done. Blocking it at this stage just pulls up the ladder behind the behemoths.

    Unless the courts are willing to put injunctions on any model that made use of illegally obtained copyrighted material - which would pretty much be all of them.

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    7. j_maffe ◴[] No.44610992[source]
    You really went all out with showing your contempt, huh? I'm glad that you're enjoying the tech companies utterly dominating US citizens in the process
    8. ks2048 ◴[] No.44611064[source]
    It seems EU governments should be preventing US companies from dominating their countries.
    9. tjwebbnorfolk ◴[] No.44611758[source]
    Being evil doesn't make them necessarily wrong.
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    10. GuB-42 ◴[] No.44611760{3}[source]
    If France, fair use doesn't even exist!

    We have exceptions, which are similar, but the important difference is that courts decide what is fair and what is not, whereas exceptions are written in law. It is a more rigid system that tend to favor copyright owners because if what is seen as "fair" doesn't fit one of the listed exceptions, copyright still applies. Note that AI training probably fits one of the exceptions in French law (but again, it is complicated).

    I don't know the law in other European countries, but AFAIK, EU and international directives don't do much to address the exceptions to copyright, so it is up to each individual country.

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    11. vanderZwan ◴[] No.44612517[source]
    Agreed, that's why I'm calling out the stupidity of my own bias.
    12. zettabomb ◴[] No.44613220{4}[source]
    Anthropic bought millions of books and scanned them, meaning that (at least for those sources) they were legally obtained. There has also been rampant piracy used to obtain similar material, which I won't defend. But it's not an absolute - training can be done on legally acquired material.
    13. mikae1 ◴[] No.44613520{4}[source]
    > If France, fair use doesn't even exist!

    Same in Sweden. The U.S. has one of the broadest and most flexible fair use laws.

    In Sweden we have "citaträtten" (the right to quote). It only applies to text and it is usually said that you can't quote more than 20% of the original text.

    14. 1718627440 ◴[] No.44615727{5}[source]
    But a ruling can determine that the results of the violation needs to be destroyed.
    15. rpdillon ◴[] No.44616692{4}[source]
    Why is acquiring copyrighted materials illegal?

    You can just buy books in bulk under the first sale doctrine and scan them.