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ACA health insurance will cost the average person 75% more next year

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129 points geox | 11 comments | 18 Jul 25 13:21 UTC | HN request time: 0.001s | source | bottom
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chris_wot ◴[18 Jul 25 14:05 UTC] No.44604778[source]▶
I’ve never understood why America doesn’t have a decent health care system. And then America voted for Trump, and everyone appears shocked at what he has done…

There is something very wrong with American attitudes.

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fkyoureadthedoc ◴[18 Jul 25 14:11 UTC] No.44604847[source]▶
Depends where you look, but most of his voters don't know and/or don't care. I think the only thing he's done to rile them up so far this term is his recent comments on the Epstein case.
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1. RajT88 ◴[18 Jul 25 14:24 UTC] No.44604956[source]▶
The right wing media ecosystem they have created obscures the fact that Obamacare is the thing these people are using.

Then, once it fails, they will just lie and again blame Democrats for it instead of circling back to their talking points about how they wanted to kill Obamacare.

This is just some people. I have met a fair number of people who just think it is too bad, so sad if you are too poor or do not have a good enough job for good healthcare. I was visiting Canada once, and the folks at the company I was visiting recounted the last American who rolled through who espoused the "well, I guess they die" talking points - to their horror.

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2. DennisP ◴[18 Jul 25 14:34 UTC] No.44605079[source]▶
If rates go way up next year, I don't see how they're going to convince people the Democrats are at fault.
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3. ceejayoz ◴[18 Jul 25 14:46 UTC] No.44605227[source]▶
Stock market goes up: Trump economy! Stock market goes down: Biden left us a shitty economy!

Same will happen here.

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4. DennisP ◴[18 Jul 25 14:55 UTC] No.44605336{3}[source]▶
Of course they'll say it. I just doubt that many people will believe it.
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5. ceejayoz ◴[18 Jul 25 15:00 UTC] No.44605400{4}[source]▶
The last decade doesn't give me much doubt about that.

We're talking about folks who non-ironically walk around with signs saying "keep government out of my medicare". https://archive.nytimes.com/krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...

> 44 percent of Social Security recipients, and 40 percent of Medicare recipients, believe that they don’t benefit from any government social program.

6. Tadpole9181 ◴[18 Jul 25 18:12 UTC] No.44608018{4}[source]▶
Well their supporters are, quite frankly, unrepentant morons that have believed literally anything broadcast on their absolutely enormous propaganda machine for two decades.

I'm not exactly holding my breath that they'll suddenly grow a brain to connect cause and effect against the word of Dear Supreme God King.

7. spauldo ◴[18 Jul 25 18:34 UTC] No.44608250{4}[source]▶
Spend a bit of time talking with tradesmen and you'll change your mind on that.

These people aren't stupid - far from it! I work with electricians all day and they're sharp as tacks. But most of 'em have been lied to so long they buy it all, hook, line, and sinker. Quite a few of them get drawn in by the social conservative outlook and then just go along with the rest of it.

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8. wat10000 ◴[18 Jul 25 18:48 UTC] No.44608379{4}[source]▶
Why not? They're already primed to hate Obamacare. All you have to do is say that prices went up because of the law, not these changes, and they'll believe it.
9. DennisP ◴[18 Jul 25 20:58 UTC] No.44609766{5}[source]▶
Yes, but only about a third of voters are hard-core MAGA. There's a big group in the middle that pays less attention to politics, and swung for Trump mostly for economic reasons.
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10. RajT88 ◴[18 Jul 25 22:10 UTC] No.44610333{3}[source]▶
Biden. Lol. Trump is still blaming Obama for stuff for some reason.

(Yes, we all know the reason)

11. spauldo ◴[19 Jul 25 04:44 UTC] No.44612662{6}[source]▶
You don't have to be hardcore MAGA to buy the bullshit. You just have to have the right assumptions beforehand, a limited and biased source of information, and enough lack of interest to not question what you're told. When you're surrounded by similar people with one or two true believers in the mix, you have to make a conscious effort to hear the other side. A lot of people don't do that. "Economy sucks, oh it's Biden's fault? Figures."