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1. computegabe ◴[] No.44604945[source]
The company used, Clearview AI, collects publicly available imagery. It would be different if the government was providing it. Here's an idea: maybe don't post your photos on social media. Still scary nonetheless.
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2. sorcerer-mar ◴[] No.44605165[source]
“Don’t post your photos on social media” is precisely describing a chilling effect on people’s expression, i.e. the exact thing the First Amendment is designed to protect against.
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3. oefrha ◴[] No.44605314[source]
> maybe don't post your photos on social media.

I don’t, I deleted my social media accounts a decade ago and wasn’t into posting my own photos prior to that anyway. But other people can post photos with me/including me and I can’t control that (and since I don’t use social media I don’t even know when they do that).

4. computegabe ◴[] No.44605353[source]
If a user is willingly uploading their photos to a private company to be publicly shared, how does 1A apply?
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5. kopecs ◴[] No.44605625{3}[source]
I think the suggestion is that the government use of that public data could be such as to create a chilling effect. That is, the upload and interaction of the user with the private company is almost irrelevant: it is just part of the antecedent to the government's conduct.

If you believe the government would only use that data for just purposes then you probably wouldn't then believe that there is a 1A issue. But if you think the government would use it to identify persons at a protest and then take adverse actions against them on the basis of their presence alone (which to be clear, seems distinguished from the immediate instance) you would probably think there is a 1A issue.

6. gl-prod ◴[] No.44605681[source]
Whats next? Innocent people don't have anything to hide?
7. macintux ◴[] No.44605697[source]
> Here's an idea: maybe don't post your photos on social media.

Right. Also make sure your friends don't. And your family. Good luck with that.

8. sorcerer-mar ◴[] No.44606087{3}[source]
You can go do some reading on Third Party Doctrine if you'd like.

SCOTUS ruled there are some instances where private use of a service is 1) effectively necessary for modern life and 2) leaks a huge amount of information about the person, then the government cannot utilize it without a warrant even if handed over or sold willingly by the third party.

I am suggesting that we likely need to expand Third Party Doctrine to things beyond cell tower data because 1) we don't have absolute control over how/where our images are used and associated with our names, and 2) the technology to later affiliate our always-on/always-visible identities (like faces, gaits, or fingerprints) with our names is getting better and better.

You're right that today this is not illegal, but I am pointing out that your argument for "what to do instead" is literally the precise argument for why it should be: it chills protected expression.

9. LetsGetTechnicl ◴[] No.44609451[source]
Since when is not posting selfies to social media a requirement for civil rights, particularly free speech and the right to assemble?