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chris_wot ◴[] No.44604778[source]
I’ve never understood why America doesn’t have a decent health care system. And then America voted for Trump, and everyone appears shocked at what he has done…

There is something very wrong with American attitudes.

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1. bpt3 ◴[] No.44604928[source]
America does have a decent healthcare system for the vast majority of its citizens (people with full time jobs and their dependents, plus the elderly).

That's a large reason why there is no major change in this area, even though one is sorely needed.

Personally, I'd just open Medicare up to anyone who wants it by paying some additional fee each month and see how that goes, but that's too simple for most politicians I think.

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2. getnormality ◴[] No.44604980[source]
It's kind of amazing that majoritarian democracy is as good as it is at addressing problems experienced by small minorities. It is pretty bad, but it could be much worse.
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3. delfinom ◴[] No.44604987[source]
America's healthcare system is basically a house of cards. Yes for people with jobs and benefits, it works, for now.

But so so so much is wrong financially for hospitals, clinics and pharmacies.

This administration is poking the house of cards with a really large stick.

Pharmacies are so fucked by PBMs( that politicians only pay lip service to dealing with) that they _owe_ money to the PBM everytime they fill many prescriptions. Negative reimbursements. Many small time pharmacies now play games to refuse prescriptions because of how bad it is. PBMs have tried to counter by having distributors write contracts that bar refusals. Chain pharmacies aren't doing much better and are where the negative reimbursement customers end up.

"Mom & pop" doctor offices simply are going extinct. Due to both polticians lumping on requirements for digital records, infinite insurance games and cost of real estate going to the moon, every new doctor just joins a mega-hospital-network because they are already 2 million in debt after schooling. Old doctors just sell out their clinics to those hospital networks. Suddenly doctors that work there get put under strict quotas. This is something I've seen happen in real time in my suburban part of NY. My doctor's office that also fell under the growing blob of a mega-network, now has numerous signs saying "new concerns brought up during the appointment must be done under a new appointment for billing purposes".

4. vkou ◴[] No.44605105[source]
It is incredibly good at addressing the problems experienced by the top 0.1 and 0.001%.
5. esseph ◴[] No.44605176[source]
54%

As of 2023, that seems to be the percentage of people that have healthcare through their employer.

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6. bpt3 ◴[] No.44605319[source]
Not sure where that number is from, but what I've seen it's around 60% usage and 75% availability for non-Medicare eligible Americans (https://www.kff.org/health-policy-101-employer-sponsored-hea...)

It's also worth noting that the percentages are substantially higher than the averages for the portion of the population who generally votes.

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7. esseph ◴[] No.44605384{3}[source]
"Of the subtypes of health insurance coverage, employment-based insurance was the most common, covering 53.7 percent of the population for some or all of the calendar year, followed by Medicaid (18.9 percent), Medicare (18.9 percent), direct-purchase coverage (10.2 percent), TRICARE (2.6 percent), and VA and CHAMPVA coverage (1.0 percent). While the private coverage rate was statistically unchanged between 2022 and 2023, the employment-based coverage rate declined by 0.7 percentage points to 53.7 percent in 2023. At the same time, the rate of direct-purchase coverage increased by 0.3 percentage points to 10.2 percent in 2023."

https://www.census.gov/library/publications/2024/demo/p60-28...

More:

https://www.unionhealthcareinsight.com/post/why-employer-hea...

8. wat10000 ◴[] No.44609083[source]
"Decent" is a tricky word here.

Most Americans can get pretty good care. It also tends to be painful to get. You don't just go to the doctor. You visit some horrible web site clearly built by someone who doesn't have to use it, go through the list of in-network providers, pick one, call, find out that the list is out of date and they don't accept your insurance.... And then come the surprise bills. The office coded your lab work wrong so it doesn't count as preventive, pay up, or spend an hour on the phone correcting it. You offhandedly told the doctor you're feeling tired lately during your annual physical, and they give you some tips on getting better sleep. Then you get a bill because that counts as a consultation for a specific medical problem, so your free annual physical now requires you to pay a copay.

God forbid you have a major incident. Nobody can ever tell you how much things will cost. You'll be dealing with bills for months, and you won't be able to trust that any of them are legitimate.

The actual health providers are usually OK. The health insurance is godawful.

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9. bpt3 ◴[] No.44610267[source]
I think the system is a disaster and has actually gotten much worse over the last several years, but polls show that most people are satisfied with their care.

Maybe they're differentiating their care providers and insurer, but that's a level of critical thinking I wouldn't expect.

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10. giantg2 ◴[] No.44610485[source]
"Personally, I'd just open Medicare up to anyone who wants it by paying some additional fee each month"

The big question is how big the fee is. Even with Medicare you have plenty of costs, and that's after paying 5.6% of pay into the system for 30+ years. My guess would be that the cost will be similar to what we're seeing on the ACA market with $500-3000 premiums depending on your deductible.

The problem is it costs what it costs. To reduce individual cost you have to reduce the cost of service or pay for it from some other source.

11. wat10000 ◴[] No.44612522{3}[source]
A dude committed cold-blooded murder on a busy street and he became a folk hero because the victim was a health insurance CEO. People are perfectly capable of distinguishing between the providers and the insurance. The providers are the ones who make you better. The insurance is the company that takes a shitload of your money and then makes you miserable if you use the service you’re paying for.