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1. 0xTJ ◴[] No.44475481[source]
That is a wild false dichotomy, to assume that the alternative to buying custom adult content would be to have a baby. Plenty of people don't want babies, don't feel like they're in a financial situation to support kids, don't want a relationship, etc.

What makes adult content "degeneracy"?

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2. 3eb7988a1663 ◴[] No.44475566[source]
Access to porn is the only thing impacting fertility? Not hormonal birth control, prophylactics, direct/indirect costs of child care, abortion, loss of financial stability, etc?
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3. mousethatroared ◴[] No.44475582[source]
I don't think the OP stated porn was the only thing.
4. Hizonner ◴[] No.44475928[source]
> I'm all for anything that decreases the total amount of degeneracy in the world, which is completely off the charts.

Nobody cares about your opinion of what's "degenerate".

> The developed world has a fertility crisis.

Nobody cares about your opinion of how many people there should be, either.

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5. tbrownaw ◴[] No.44476106[source]
> What makes adult content "degeneracy"?

It's decoupling what shouldn't be decoupled in order to optimize what shouldn't be optimized.

Rather like how your employer's janitors are from a service company, your uber driver is an independent contractor or whatever, your mortgage has probably been resold like five times, etc.

All examples of having more complex interactions stripped out.

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6. 0xTJ ◴[] No.44476145{3}[source]
What are you talking about, what is being "optimized"?

People can do stuff for fun, because it feels good, or for whatever reason. Not everything in someone's life has to be done for a direct survival goal. People go for runs because they want to be fit or achieve personal goals, (probably) not because they want to be better at outrunning a boar that they're hunting.

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7. tbrownaw ◴[] No.44476191{4}[source]
Degeneracy is about loss of expected complexity, yes? All your atoms are smooshed together into a uniform soup, all your call-center people have to follow an identical script, etc. Taking something that originated itself as a way to ensure continuation of the species and splitting out the fun parts from the continuation parts seems like the sort of thing that ought to count. And yes gyms probably should count as well, except nobody cares about that.
8. synecdoche ◴[] No.44480199[source]
This take is uncharitable and ad hominem. Wish I could downvote.
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9. Hizonner ◴[] No.44480638{3}[source]
Not at all. It's not argumentum ad hominem, because it lacks the "argumentum". It doesn't present the person's contemptibility as the refutation of that person's position. Any necessary refutation was done a long time ago.

You're mistaking "Fuck off" for an argument.

The person I was responding to expressed the belief that the law should constrain other people's choices, on threat of punishment, in order to (a) reduce "degeneracy" as that person sees it, and (b) "encourage" the other people to act as breeding stock. In other words, to draft everybody else to implement the world that person wants to see, and to hell with their own preferences.

I don't have to argue against self-evidently Nazish bullshit[^1]. There's no factual question anyway[^2]. Either you're willing to use others that way, or you aren't. And if you are, you don't get my charity.

The whole point is to tell them to go away and stop bothering decent people. They are bad, they should feel bad, and, more importantly, anybody nodding along should be forced to look at the reality of what they're nodding along to.

[^1]: Expressed, I might add, in the very language of Nazism and Moldbuggery.

[^2]: OK, the impact of the "population crisis" is overblown, but that's a very secondary point. It would not justify what that person wants no matter how real or how bad it was.