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hintymad ◴[] No.43950327[source]
A funny thing is the US could easily sanction any country in the 90s because it controlled so much manufacturing. Nowadays we can’t even sanction Houthis since they can get everything from China. Judging by the port situation, soon China can sanction us, easily.
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arvigeus ◴[] No.43950853[source]
The general idea is to restore that order, and decouple from China. The problem is such things will require serious leadership, not mafia style extortion.
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1. seanmcdirmid ◴[] No.43950985[source]
If Trump was really going to focus on China in a constructive manner, he wouldn’t have gone off and pissed off all of our allies first. Our allies now are just as likely now to form trade agreements with China as they are with the USA, since we now appear just as bad to them as China (even worse, we don’t have much to offer compared to China). As it stands now, China couldn’t have asked for a better situation of American just deciding to go off on everyone at once.

Even Canada is now looking seriously at making a trade agreement with China than with the USA, which was unthinkable just 3 months ago.

2. lantry ◴[] No.43950992[source]
It's too bad this administration is taking it's stand very incompetently, by ostracizing all our allies and smashing our govt capacity
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3. mindslight ◴[] No.43951109[source]
"taking a stand" - is this what the narrative is going to shift to when the decades-out-of-date approach of this mentally ill false idol blows up into widespread shortages and high inflation (again) ? "Our country is in ruins, but at least we took a stand"
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4. throwawaymaths ◴[] No.43951127[source]
you're right but opponents of trump would have far more ground to stand on anything if they started by saying "well we agree with XYZ that trump wants to do, let's offer other strategies he can try if what hes doing now doesnt work".

that is not happening.

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5. theamk ◴[] No.43951158[source]
This would be easier to believe if tariffs were actually helping American manufactures. As of now, the tariffs on raw materials and high uncertainty means life is getting significantly worse for them. Those actions are drastic, yes, but they are harming the wrong side (American one).
6. cman1444 ◴[] No.43951243{3}[source]
I think there's plenty of ground for his critics to stand on.

We already had another strategy, and it was called the trans pacific partnership. Trump pulled the US out of that in his first term.

7. heylook ◴[] No.43951735{3}[source]
Nope. Wholehearted rejection of literally every policy, executive order, layoff, lawsuit, impoundment, appointment that this technofascist wannabe tries to pull. The constitution spells out how he can accomplish his goals, and everything he's trying to do requires an act of congress, and there's been literally nothing. If he's so popular and such a visionary dealmaker, why can't he get literally any actual laws passed through a congress completely controlled by his party?
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8. asyx ◴[] No.43952732[source]
I think this will be overshadowed by all the other garbage. Kinda like Germans sometimes say „well Hitler built the Autobahn“ but the industrial scale mass murder of minorities and political opponents kinda overshadows this just a little bit (it’s also false. But nobody gives a fuck about the damn highways).
9. throwawaymaths ◴[] No.43953521{4}[source]
save your energy for the truly heinous things that trump is going to do (starting with the abrego garcia case, and worse).

then, when you have the time, go read article I section 8 and ask yourself how much stuff that isn't in there congress just decided to start authorizing we do. do that before trotting out constitutionalism arguments -- and then search the constitution for where it says the supreme court should be doing judicial review (I'm not saying it's a bad idea). the constitution is basically meaningless in this country and has been from since the beginning.