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afavour ◴[] No.43929124[source]
> "Cardinal George of Chicago, of happy memory, was one of my great mentors, and he said: 'Look, until America goes into political decline, there won't be an American pope.' And his point was, if America is kind of running the world politically, culturally, economically, they don't want America running the world religiously. So, I think there's some truth to that, that we're such a superpower and so dominant, they don't wanna give us, also, control over the church."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/new-pope-could-it-be-american-c...

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1. myvoiceismypass ◴[] No.43930981[source]
American Christianity != American Catholicism
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2. ivape ◴[] No.43931009[source]
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3. taylodl ◴[] No.43931087{3}[source]
I know many American evangelicals who believe Catholics are not true Christians, and as such, when they're talking about Christians they are not including Catholics in that discussion.
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4. nashashmi ◴[] No.43931093{3}[source]
Not sure if your vote is a religious thing or a political one. Basically you can vote for a satanist to take over a government. But you are damned if you are a satanist or in govt run by one.
5. nashashmi ◴[] No.43931101{4}[source]
What makes someone an evangelical? Protestant faith?
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6. wahern ◴[] No.43931114[source]
Since this is a thread about the new pope, note that Catholic doctrine interprets that passage to mean you can only divorce if the original marriage was invalid. The Greek word, porneia, has more literal or abstract interpretations depending on context. Protestants and Orthodox[1] interpret it to mean illicit sex, particularly adultery, but Catholics interpret it to mean something closer to incest, which would imply a marriage was never valid in the first place. Catholic doctrine argues this interpretation is easier to square with the preceding statements by Jesus in Matthew that "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate." That is, that marriage is indissoluble by man--i.e. a spouse can't dissolve a marriage just be screwing around. And also squares with Mark, who mentions no exception. OTOH, that's arguably asking too much of the text.

[1] That said, depending on which Orthodox theologian you ask, Orthodoxy doesn't permit remarriage, either. Some Orthodox will tell you that a second marriage isn't a sacramental marriage; that the original marriage is never dissolved. Rather, "remarriage" is a form of "Ekonomia", wherein the community sort of ignores some misbehavior, or withholds judgment, so as to avoid cutting a person off entirely. Pope Francis explicitly mentioned this concept of "ekonomia" when discussing his preference that (civilly) remarried Catholics be permitted the Eucharist. And he arguably had this concept in mind when advocating for the blessing of people in same-sex relationships.

7. ivape ◴[] No.43931155{4}[source]
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8. michaelsbradley ◴[] No.43931258{5}[source]
More or less, though it's such an umbrella term at this point that a self-described "evangelical" may disclaim Protestant identity, not having an awareness of the historical link and intending to convey that they don't feel aligned with a Protestant denomination such as Presbyterian, Methodist, Baptist, etc. I've met many Evangelicals who said something along those lines when the subject came up in conversation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism

9. dragonwriter ◴[] No.43931313{5}[source]
Evangelicalism and Fundamentalism are distinct and relatively recent (18th and 19th century in origin) strands within Protestantism (both being particularly prominent in the US.) They aren't equivalent to Protestantism.
10. aezell ◴[] No.43931400{4}[source]
I was in an interview once and the prospective employer asked me what church I attend. I replied, "Catholic." He said, "Is that even Christian?" So, yeah, plenty of Americans have a skewed view of Catholicism.
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11. ivape ◴[] No.43931846{6}[source]
What part? I see you have a lot of faith-based links in your profile. Perhaps you think you are some kind of authority. Maybe you are! I have the wonky belief that God talks through us all, so anything you say, I'd actually take quite seriously.
12. theodric ◴[] No.43932146{5}[source]
Being asked your religion in a job interview is wild (outside of a few select jobs, like Pope)
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13. slowmovintarget ◴[] No.43932570[source]
Christianity > Catholicism
14. StopDisinfo910 ◴[] No.43934296{6}[source]
As discrimination based on religion is illegal in most of the world, it’s also probably exposing the person asking and the company to a lot of potential legal risk. It’s a big no where I live and part of the things you are explicitly trained to never ask about.
15. tomhow ◴[] No.43945362{3}[source]
This comment combines nationalistic and religious flamebait all at once, which is against the guidelines. Please keep the guidelines in mind when commenting on HN.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html