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CKMo ◴[] No.43749746[source]
I genuinely liked him, even as an atheist. He seemed to be trying his best to make the world a better place and I can't fault him for that.
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1. snozolli ◴[] No.43750690[source]
Ukraine is fighting to defend its land, not against an extermination campaign like Palestine

False. Russia has sought the cultural genocide of Ukraine for hundreds of years.

https://ukraineworld.org/en/articles/basics/linguicide-ukrai...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russian-history-of-subjugating-...

https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/04/23/russia-ukraine-cultural...

https://academic.oup.com/jicj/article/21/2/233/7197410

https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/why-russias-war-ukrai...

This is why they fire missiles at museums and libraries. This is why they steal Ukrainian children and ship them to Russia for adoption. This is why they deport Ukrainian citizens to Siberia and bring in Russians to replace them.

2. _Algernon_ ◴[] No.43751575[source]
No, Ukraine should not surrender because if they surrender now the same argument can be made next time - and with Russia there will always be a next time. This is an existential fight for Ukraine and Ukrainians.

Assuming that you are arguing in good faith you should read up on some basic game theory. The outcome of this fight is not just about this war but about establishing the incentives of all future potential attempts at aggression by Russia (and other expansionist countries).

Edited to remove the snark.

3. thinkingtoilet ◴[] No.43751860[source]
Where do you live? How much of your money and land are you willing to surrender to me? I think there's a real argument that it's the right thing to do.
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4. code_for_monkey ◴[] No.43751971{3}[source]
if you showed up to my house with a gun and said "give me your living room or die" I'd probably do it, yeah. See the thing is, youre not at my house and you dont have a gun so the analogy doesn't work.

You should do it. Show up to my house with 6 of your friends and a tank, and then when you say "give me your living room or die" and then when I point out "this is bad, you shouldnt do this" you'll just leave? You'll realize the errors of your ways and go "you know, I was ready to kill for this but now I think I just won't".

Lets take this even further, youre openly threatening to kill me for my house. If my neighbors are going "hold on! Don't give in! Heres a gun, you got this!" are they helping or are they getting me killed? Do you think thats whats going to happen, or do you think the neighbors are saying "this psycho is going to kill you, give them what they want".

It doesnt work.

edit: this got flagged? why? Its pretty benign

5. code_for_monkey ◴[] No.43753361{3}[source]
are you going to come back to this or what because it was not as clever as you think it was. English your first language?
6. code_for_monkey ◴[] No.43761774{3}[source]
thinkingtoilet more like shit for brains