Trump's attacks on universities get darker, with shadows reaching our shores

Give me a break. Supporting a free Palestinean state is not the same thing as supporting Hamas. See all of the folks in Gaza protesting Hamas over the last few days, for example.

Let me grant you your premise. Let's say that these are all actually terrorists with imminent plans to commit terror attacks.

This still is not how you do things.

For starters, if they are terrorists, then they should be locked up in our jails, not deported where they can continue to plan attacks.

But before we do that, shouldn't we have a trial? You know, the whole "innocent until proven guilty" thing? How do we know, for example, that this isn't just a case of mistaken identity? Or a zealous ICE agent? Heck, how do we know that this isn't some agent getting back at his girlfriend?

That's why we have courts and trials.

They are not terrorists. They are public supporters.

When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house.

They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US as students.

The wisdom contained in that whole "first they came for the communists, and I said nothing" isn't that people failed to stand up for the popular people.

Non-citizens have 1st Amendment rights in the United States. They also have Due Process rights. People, even non-citizens, are absolutely allowed to have and share legitimately abhorrent views on any topic they want.

> They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US as students.

They absolutely are free to support Hamas (with words and assembly, not with financing). The 1st Amendment has no exemption for "except if it's pro-bad-guy" nor for "except if you're a student" nor for "except if you're not a US citizen."

> When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house.

We're not talking about a guest in a house. We're talking about a person in the US's jurisdiction. Our Constitution explicitly protects their right to do this.

The 1st Amendment's Free Speech protection is not limited to citizens, nor is the 5th Amendment's Due Process protection. The 14th Amendment's Equal Protection Clause makes that totally unambiguous: if you are within US jurisdiction, you have Constitutional rights.

So you don't believe in the first amendment?

But ok, then let's say they said or wrote wrong words. How do we know that actually happened? Trust ICE? How do we know they were on Visas? How do we know ICE didn't abduct the wrong people?

You haven't gotten around the problem of no due process.

> When you are welcomed at someone's house, you don't start going around by lecturing them on how to run their house.

Cool, so are all the people criticizing Trump and his group of idiots not allowed to do so?

They can try, but they shouldn't be surprised if the people welcoming them then change their mind and become upset. Sounds like basic stuff to me.

Again, you are free to speak your mind. Just, that, if I invited you to dinner at my home and you start criticizing everything I'll gently ask you to leave and go have dinner elsewhere.

Just so I’m clear. You think people, including citizens, should be thrown out of the country if they criticize Trump?

>They are free to support Hamas, just not in the US

Doesn't sound very free. Nor legal.

Obviously, no.