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    femto ◴[] No.42892058[source]
    This bypasses the overt censorship on the web interface, but it does not bypass the second, more insidious, level of censorship that is built into the model.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42825573

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42859947

    Apparently the model will abandon its "Chain of Thought" (CoT) for certain topics and instead produce a canned response. This effect was the subject of the article "1,156 Questions Censored by DeepSeek", which appeared on HN a few days ago.

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42858552

    Edit: fix the last link

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    1. thebruce87m ◴[] No.42892941[source]
    US based models could suffer the same fate.
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    2. axus ◴[] No.42893120[source]
    Good thing that large AI investments aren't involved with the US Government!
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    3. petee ◴[] No.42893274{3}[source]
    I'm not sure I believe that considering how all the majors immediately dropped to their knees for the Cheeto.

    Trump will claim its somehow discrimination and they'll all scramble to get out of the firing line

    4. Cumpiler69 ◴[] No.42893287{3}[source]
    Ai investors like all tech Investors don't care about your virtue signaling or your social justice, they care about making money.

    They just pander to gay/trans causes in hopes it makes them more money in the west while censoring the same content overseas also for more money. They're not on your side, they're on the side of capital and Profit.

    You can lie to yourself that they're on your side if that makes you feel better but if outing and killing gay people would be profitable they'd do that instead, just like how IBM did business with the Nazis to send Jews to their death.

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    6. fullstick ◴[] No.42893644{3}[source]
    Suffering isn't a competition. Stripping a group of people's identity and forcing them to confirm is oppression btw.
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    7. donasherat ◴[] No.42893649[source]
    5.) If citizens report grievances against the local government, such as lost wages, or funds missing in banks, or events where it incites public protests such as death of a child in then hands of local government, the posts will immediately be scrubbed.

    6.) Recently famous economists or scholars that dare to post talks that paints CCP in a bad light, such as declaring China being in a lost decade or two, will get their entire online persona scrubbed

    8. sangnoir ◴[] No.42894055[source]
    No hypothetical there - it has already happened, just not about Tiananmen square. Have you tried asking ChatGPT about David Mayer[1] or Jonathan Turley[1]? Give it a whirl and watch the all-American censorship at work.

    Corporations avoiding legal trouble is the one thing in common between American, Chinese, or any other AI company, really.

    1. https://www.404media.co/not-just-david-mayer-chatgpt-breaks-...

    9. talldayo ◴[] No.42895629{4}[source]
    Ironically it's the opposite - they have to care. Companies like OpenAI are forced to virtue signal because if they don't, the Verge will publish an article at 8:00AM tomorrow titled "Transphobic/Homophobic Model Now Hits Public Availability" and there's nothing Altman or Trump can do about that. They'd just watch their stock value slide while Anthropic or Mistral becomes the next global darling with HugBoxLLM or whatever the hell. That's free market capitalism at play - doing anything else is simply bad business strategy.

    > but if outing and killing gay people would be profitable they'd do that instead

    Certainly; we'd see new businesses spring up overnight if the government offered a price for every Christian head you brought them. But we haven't seen that in a while (much less from a modern, accountable government) and very few stable businesses would risk their identity on something like that if it wasn't going to last.

    The bigger issue moreover is that businesses don't want to slaughter gay people or Christians because they are paying customers. Political businesses fail in America because taking any stance is the enemy of popularity and makes you ripe for legitimate and viral controversy.

    Call it cancel culture if you want, but it's a bipartisan force that segregates politics from business simply through market aggregation.

    10. Cumpiler69 ◴[] No.42897913{4}[source]
    You have no clue what oppression actually is.

    You can identify whatever you want but society has no obligation to conform to your made uo identity. It's not oppression, it's freedom of speech.

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    11. fullstick ◴[] No.42938435{5}[source]
    That's nice that you're giving me permission to identify how I want to. The current US federal government is trying to take away that right, and calling me unfit to live an an honorable, truthful, and disciplined life, even in my own personal life.

    The United States was built on oppression, slavery, and genocide. We have a long history of concentration camps for people deemed enemies of the state. There are women and children in cages at the border right now. I have no doubt influential people in the federal government would like to include me and people like me in the list of people to lock up, for the children.