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Let's talk about AI and end-to-end encryption

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183 points chmaynard | 7 comments | 17 Jan 25 05:50 UTC | HN request time: 1.025s | source | bottom
1. dingnuts ◴[17 Jan 25 17:01 UTC] No.42740328[source]▶
fucking hell are we only now having this discussion? when GitHub Copilot first released, a few years ago, my first reaction was: that's a keylogger! it sends everything in your editor to Microsoft, isn't anyone worried about that at all?

No, no one was. I despair

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2. airstrike ◴[17 Jan 25 17:25 UTC] No.42740744[source]▶
> tl;dr -- Most AI stuff won't run at an acceptable speed on your computer

...today. There's no real reason we can't get acceptable speeds in the near future.

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3. AyyEye ◴[17 Jan 25 17:29 UTC] No.42740810[source]▶
"Keylogger" and "spyware" have become so normalized that they have disappeared from the public lexicon.
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4. ◴[17 Jan 25 17:34 UTC] No.42740902[source]▶
5. jazzyjackson ◴[17 Jan 25 18:28 UTC] No.42741638{3}[source]▶
With apologies,

1960s: “I BETTER NOT SAY THAT OR THE GOVERNMENT WILL WIRETAP MY HOUSE”

2020s: “HEY WIRETAP, DO YOU HAVE A RECIPE FOR PANCAKES?”

6. deathanatos ◴[17 Jan 25 23:37 UTC] No.42744405[source]▶
Yes, but also no: surface area is a proxy for compute power, because it's a proxy to heat dissipation. Phones are also only passively air-cooled — which is like the absolute worst cooling mechanism, too¹. So yes, processors do get better, but watts are watts, and there's a hard upper limit to how many watts a phone can consume, and you have to get better within that limit.

Or … IDK, maybe you don't. Recent Android phones are now capable of prompting the user to actively cool them off because the ~bloat~ software is consuming too much compute/power. What basically translates to "help I'm dying" is an amusing message, but also a depressing state of affairs.

¹compare to a laptop, or worse for the phone, a desktop. The comparative cooling surface area is multiple times larger. And both have fans, desktops can be liquid cooled — it's not mere chance that they're faster, and phone form factor literally presents challenges. Even with an infinite battery, or a USB capable, you can't dissipate 60 W into a human hand.

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7. airstrike ◴[18 Jan 25 00:07 UTC] No.42744563{3}[source]▶
I agree but I was replying to the comment about computers specifically, meaning desktop and laptop form factors rather than mobile phones, especially when I say "near future"