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PaulHoule ◴[] No.42151244[source]
My take is that Bluesky is a nicer place than Mastodon.

Personally I think politics are terrible on microblogging platforms for the reason that you can't say very much in 140 characters or even 1400 characters.

A common kind of profile on that kind of platform is: "There are good people and bad people and I'm one of the good people"

It is very easy to other people and share memes that build group cohesion while driving other people away. Really making progress requires in politics a lot of "I agree with you about 90% but there is 10% that I don't" or "Well, I negotiated something in the backroom that you'd really hate but headed off a situation you would have thought was catastrophic but you won't appreciate that I did it so you and I are both better off if I don't tell you" and other sorts of nuance, you don't want to see how the sausage is made, etc.

To stand Mastodon (where you would have thought fascists were taking over the world a year ago if you believed what you read) I have to have about 20 or so block rules.

I see some people with the same kind of profiles on Bluesky but see a lot less othering in my feed because the "Discover" feed on Bluesky filters out a lot of angry content. My rough estimate is that it removes about 75% of the divisive political junk. That

(1) Immediately improves my feed, but also

(2) Reduces the amount of re-posted angry political content (it's like adding some boron to the coolant in a nuclear reactor) and

(3) Since angry political memes don't work anymore people find a different game to play

My guess is the X-odus folks are less agreeable than average for the same reason why people who "left California" to go to Colorado or someplace else are less agreeable. Those who go are less agreeable than those who stay. On the other hand, a certain amount of suppression of negativity could stop it from spreading and might not even be noticed as "censorship".

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1. parl_match ◴[] No.42151488[source]
See, your post is exactly what OP is talking about.
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2. philosopher1234 ◴[] No.42151554[source]
Making an argument that fascists are taking over the world may indeed be what gp doesn’t like.

But gp (and yourself, presumably) not liking it doesn’t make it untrue, and certainly doesn’t mean the argument should be censored.

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3. gred ◴[] No.42151571[source]
> I try to filter out political tweets.

> Seriously!? But don't you realize that ${political.outrage.tweet.792305}??

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4. parl_match ◴[] No.42151833{3}[source]
Being censored is not the same as not being amplified.
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5. otterley ◴[] No.42152390{4}[source]
Or, freedom of speech does not mean freedom of reach.
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6. becquerel ◴[] No.42152513[source]
Them providing a counterargument with a cited source?
7. bbor ◴[] No.42153069{4}[source]
Idk deleting a comment is kinda the definition of censorship. It’s not governmental censorship, but that’s not the only kind, just the worst one. Censorship is justified sometimes of course, tho I’m both sad and surprised that our two kings have decided any discussion of authoritarianism deserves this treatment. What is HackerNews? What does it mean to stimulate intellectual curiosity when legal freedom of speech is at risk for the large majority of the user base?

I guess technically Thiel is into Trump so maybe influencing Graham, but I never got the impression he dictated moderation decisions here. The more likely explanation, IMO, is that they’re just trying not to rock the boat, and “ban all serious political discussion on sight” is still their way to do that

8. blackeyeblitzar ◴[] No.42153501{4}[source]
Providing different amplification to messages based on their political viewpoint is effectively censorship.
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9. mandmandam ◴[] No.42153633[source]
You think comments like mine should be flagged/invisible by default?

... Idk man, seems kinda fascist tbh.

OP made blocking rules as a personal preference - 100% fine.

Expecting censorship of political topics like rising fascism as the default - dangerously naive.

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10. mandmandam ◴[] No.42153694{3}[source]
Filtering 'political tweets' on Mastodon is fine by me.

It's expecting that behavior as the default which I take issue with, and denying the specter of rising fascism. (Because yeesh, why care about a year of genocide funded with our own taxes and enabled by our leaders?)

Some people actually do care about what's happening in the world; say, for example, the UN calling out a genocide backed by Western powers with our tax money. I believe they ought to be able to discuss these things without being flagged/shadowbanned/banned etc, especially on decentralized fora.

The major platforms already suppress such discussion. If you want to avoid making custom filters, just stay on those.

11. mandmandam ◴[] No.42153701{5}[source]
Sad to see such a logical and straightforward statement being grayed out :/

Especially when the political viewpoint in question is "Guys maybe we should worry about this looming fascism, evidenced by just about every possible indicator".

12. sph ◴[] No.42154859{3}[source]
Does every platform need to become the frontline of American politics?
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13. blackqueeriroh ◴[] No.42155218{5}[source]
This is incorrect. Censorship is eliminating someone’s voice. Amplifying views you like is called running your own social network.
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14. mandmandam ◴[] No.42155647{4}[source]
First, a few points:

* The genocide in Israel isn't just an American project. Many countries leaders and media are complicit.

* Fascism isn't just rising in America.

* American politics affects the entire world. Simply look at a map of US military bases, or the threats we level against courts and regulators and leaders.

* Most platforms heavily suppress huge swathes of political content which falls outside the current Overton window (which has, indeed, been moving toward fascism for decades across the West).

Second, Mastodon is a decentralized forum. Complaining about political content on it, in a time of historic inequality, and then asking if all platforms need to be a "frontline of American politics" is really quite silly. It would be like complaining about all the business news on HN, then asking if every platform needs to be so relentlessly capitalistic.

15. mandmandam ◴[] No.42155681{6}[source]
Nope.

> censorship, the changing or the suppression or prohibition of speech or writing that is deemed subversive of the common good.

(Brittanica) - note 'changing' and 'suppression', rather than 'elimination'.

> Any regime or context in which the content of what is publically expressed, exhibited, published, broadcast, or otherwise distributed is regulated or in which the circulation of information is controlled.

> The practice and process of suppression or any particular instance of this. This may involve the partial or total suppression of any text or the entire output of an individual or organization on a limited or permanent basis.

(Oxford) - note 'regulated' and 'controlled', and explicitly, 'partial or total', rather than elimination.

> Amplifying views you like

Ie, literally de facto censorship.

When every social network is owned by the yacht class, and they are "amplifying" everything except political views calling for a more equitable and less genocidal system, that's censorship. Definitevily.

16. parl_match ◴[] No.42243526{5}[source]
Freedom of speech means you are allowed to say whatever you like. You are allowed to write it down. You are allowed to make copies of it and distribute it.

It does NOT mean that others are COMPELLED to carry or distribute your message.

I recognize this can create uncomfortable situations, such as when a corporation that controls the stack of modern communication decides your speech is forbidden. That is, I think, a very related but separate issue. At the end of the day, you can stand on a box on the corner of your street and yell.