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7 points johnnybzane | 17 comments | | HN request time: 0.941s | source | bottom

I'm on the market for a new laptop (with windows OS) and I've noticed quite a few laptops are USB-C ports only now.

I even saw one laptop that only had 2 USB-C ports, with 1 of them to use for charging. (Dell XPS 13 for example)

It's very important for me to connect my laptop to a monitor, and to use earbuds, be connected to ethernet, and to have a charger going, all at the same time. I have an old laptop with an HDMI output port, USB, and direct audio jack for earbuds.

I'm struggling to accept that dongles are fast enough or reliable enough. What if I get a HDMI dongle or audio dongle and the connection keeps dropping on my video calls? A direct connections feels "safer" to me than a USB-C splitter.

What do you think. Should I still look for laptops with direct HDMI/Audio/USB connections, or are USB-C only laptops still reliable enough even if you need a dozen different dongles?

1. johnnybzane ◴[] No.41882756[source]
Forgot to mention: I have my laptop connected to a USB keyboard and USB mouse
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2. sharpshadow ◴[] No.41882759[source]
Look for docks instead of dongles. Check the usb-c spec of the laptop and dock capabilities.
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3. josephcsible ◴[] No.41882873[source]
High-quality dongles today are just as reliable as built-in ports. Consider the Framework laptop and its expansion slots. All of its other kind of ports are basically just USB-C dongles that are recessed into it.
4. taylodl ◴[] No.41882934[source]
I have a Windows laptop with a two USB-C ports - and I only use 1 - and it's connected to my monitor.

My monitor acts as a dock. My monitor is powering my laptop, handling the video output, and has the keyboard, mouse, headset, and camera connected to it.

All I have to do is plugin one cable and I'm done. It's a good setup. The monitor even has a monitor-to-monitor hub so if I get a second monitor, all I have to do is connect the two monitors. Still only one cable coming to my laptop.

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5. WorldPeas ◴[] No.41883139[source]
I second this, I'd recommend looking on ebay for used thunderbolt docks, I've had good experiences with those made by dell.
6. RulerOf ◴[] No.41883294[source]
I have two thunderbolt cables plugged into my Mac.

One goes to a dock, providing most of the connectivity and charging, the other goes to two daisy-chained thunderbolt displays.

I'd use a single port if it could drive four monitors.

7. boricj ◴[] No.41883302[source]
The laptop I'm currently using (Acer Chromebook Spin 13) has two USB-C ports, one USB-A 3.0 port, one audio jack and one microSD slot. Additionally, I carry in the sleeve a USB-A to USB-C adapter, a USB-C to USB-A adapter and a USB-C dongle with a smattering of ports (4x USB-A, audio jack, Ethernet, SD, microSD, HDMI, VGA, USB-C).

Except for one ancient HP Z24 screen whose USB-C port is infuriatingly finicky, I'm docking with one USB-C cable without issues with all of my modern equipment (plus USB-C switchers to switch between the desk PC and a mobile device). On occasions where I need the extra I/O, the added weight and volume of the adapters and the dongle inside the sleeve are negligible ; I always have them on hand and can't recall the last time I had an issue with them.

If anything, it's actually cables I usually have problems with.

8. ActorNightly ◴[] No.41883385[source]
USB-C for audio works fine. I use a usbc to trs adapter with my wired ones.

For display out, the HDMI out is generally more consistent, but nothing really wrong with Display port over usbc, it just sometimes needs plugging/replugging.

9. sam29681749 ◴[] No.41885372[source]
What monitor do you use?
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10. sam29681749 ◴[] No.41885424[source]
I think carrying around dongles is a hassle (I know some people are very organised with their peripherals, but I'm not one of them). I like the idea of the docking stations some people have posted about, but it doesn't really account for needing the ports when you're away from your desk. It's not often, but I do find myself needing them now and then.
11. taylodl ◴[] No.41888025{3}[source]
ASUS ProArt Display 27" Monitor

Amazon had a good deal on it a few months ago

12. dcminter ◴[] No.41894263[source]
USB-C will work fine for these things. I've found it very reliable. But will the dongle be a nuisance for you?

If you're only going to be using them in one place (e.g. your home office) then go for a dock - it's nice to have everything connected with a single cable and a number of monitors have suitable docks built in these days.

If you'll want them on the go then yes, I'd at least look for something with the audio and hdmi ports built in just for the convenience factor.

13. brudgers ◴[] No.41907432[source]
What problem with the old laptop is driving your potential purchase?
14. solardev ◴[] No.41907637[source]
Contrary opinion: USB-C sucks for any sort of demanding use case, especially video (i.e., gaming monitors). There are so many different versions and specs that all fit into one lookalike cable/connector but which will fail in various ways, usually at some combination of refresh rate, resolution, HDR, etc. HDMI is so much more reliable (though not without its issues) and DisplayPort is even better, though that's rare to see on a laptop. If your monitor supports a USB-C input, there's a good chance it will work with your laptop (especially Windows), but the situation on Linux and Mac can be very different. If it only has a HDMI input and you don't want to waste time exploring the different USB-C video modes, a HDMI output on the laptop and good cable will make it much, much simpler.

Audio is probably fine... the standards there don't change as much.

Ethernet is hit-or-miss for me. On my Macbook with an expensive ($300ish) dock, the port works 90% of the time... 10% of the time it'll just randomly shut off until restart. Another USB-C ethernet dongle (with only that one port) works 100% of the time. But either is a PITA compared to a built-in ethernet port in the laptop.

I don't have a choice now that I've gone to Macs, but if I were buying a Windows/Linux workstation PC, I'd absolutely get all the ports I can – ESPECIALLY HDMI and ethernet. USB-C is a nice idea with terrible real-world implementations that are usually 75% compatible but almost never 100%.

15. solardev ◴[] No.41907657[source]
I've tried a variety of those on various Thinkpads and Macs, and they've all had problems of one sort or another. Spent anywhere from $100 to $300 on different brands and never found one that "just works". It's a huge pain... IMO only.
16. solardev ◴[] No.41907668[source]
Those are simple and should work fine, unless you have some super special USB gaming mouse with a very high polling rate. It's really video (especially) and ethernet (especially gigabit) that are more demanding.