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Reflections on Palantir

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asdasdsddd ◴[] No.41864951[source]
I worked there in the weird era. A couple things.

1. As per usual, the things that make palantir well known not even close to being the most dubious things.

2. I agree that the rank and file of palantir is no different from typical sv talent.

3. The services -> product transition was cool, I didn't weigh it as much as should've, but I did purchase fomo insurance after they ipo'd

4. The shadow hierarchy was so bad, it's impossible to figure out who you actually needed to talk to.

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worstspotgain ◴[] No.41865768[source]
Let's hypothesize that a would-be administration in a Western country would like to accomplish full Russian-style autocracy relatively quickly. Let's say they have stated publicly that their plan is to go after immigrants first, opposition leaders second. Numerically, these are two small categories, relatively speaking.

The first question is, what about the third and fourth categories? Would they be dissenters in general, or specific kinds (judged to be riskier for the autocratization process) and which?

The second question is, how would they go about identifying them? Are there products and services at Palantir that may have been designed for this goal?

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1. bborud ◴[] No.41868355[source]
> The Biden administration had authoritarian, Russian style COVID policies.

During the pandemic I read various descriptions of what disease outbreaks were like during various times. Including descriptions of the plague of 1665. What is interesting is that the approach to managing outbreaks of dangerous infectious diseases hasn't really changed that much. Because we discovered relatively early on what helps. (Though we no longer nail houses shut with infected people inside them and post armed guards outside).

What policies would you suggest to manage outbreaks of infectious diseases? How many deaths do you think is acceptable? Can you pick a number?

It will be interesting to see what happens during the next pandemic. Because there will be pandemics in the future. Do you think that a population disinclined to act cautiously in a situation where correct information will be scarce for months, possibly years, is a good thing or do you think it might represent a problem.

The most sinister thing a government could possibly do would be to do as little as possible and just accept loss of human life.

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2. gnmlaxr ◴[] No.41869013[source]
Either the lockdown policy before March 2022 was correct or the sudden "back to normal" after March 2022 was correct. The virus was still there and does not care about presidential edicts and speeches.

Given the the world still exists, I think the pre-2022 policies were a gross overreach and the cancellations of the likes of Malone are an eternal shame for the U.S. that is comparable to what happened in the Soviet Union.

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3. mind-blight ◴[] No.41870342{3}[source]
You should really take into account the advent of COVID vaccines, the evolution of the disease (it appears that less lethal variants), and how human immunology works (people create antibodies if they survive the first round of a disease).

There's a tendency amongst folks who have strong opinions on covid measures to create false dichotomies and ignore how context changed over time. Lockdowns appear to have been a good idea during some of the disease (i.e. before we knew how to treat it, and before vaccines became readily available), and became less important as the context changed.

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4. asoneth ◴[] No.41870650{3}[source]
> Either the lockdown policy before March 2022 was correct or the sudden "back to normal" after March 2022 was correct

It's also possible that both instituting a lockdown and subsequently removing that lockdown were both essentially correct. While I believe the government waited far too long to remove lockdown restrictions I don't think instituting them in the first place was the wrong decision.

5. lrewh ◴[] No.41871304{4}[source]
You would be right, except that the policy change was sudden. We went from hardliner measures like vaccine mandates (EUR 15,000 proposed fines in Austria), lockdowns, layoffs for the unvaccinated, gag orders for medical personnel up to December 2021 to almost complete freedom in March 2022.

You could watch consent manufacturing in real time as former hardliner outlets like the NYT and the Atlantic started to insert timid opinion pieces that questioned school lockdowns and masking of children.

The Ukraine invasion may also have played an additional role in getting Western leaders focus on important things again.

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6. insane_dreamer ◴[] No.41871541[source]
Trump says a bunch of shit that no one really believes (except his cultish followers).

He also deserves to be locked up.

As for COVID policies, those were pretty universal among industrialized nations. and if you think those were Russian style I’d say you know very little about Russia (I’ve lived there so I know what I’m talking about). Our COVID policies were nothing like China — that was authoritarian.

7. BlueTemplar ◴[] No.41871550{5}[source]
That seems fitting for something that became a seasonal disease.
8. insane_dreamer ◴[] No.41871576{3}[source]
Comparable to the USSR? That tells me you have no idea of what life was like in the USSR. There is no way they are remotely comparable. I lived in the US during COVID and I also lived in the USSR and later Russia so I know of what I speak.
9. BlueTemplar ◴[] No.41871646[source]
It's interesting to look at the pandemic before Covid (in the West), which was the Hong-Kong flu of 1968-1970, with 1-4M deaths worldwide and 0.1 M in the USA.

It was mostly ignored, worse, its impact was minimized by upper class journals, all the while hospitals were running out of space.

(So comparisons with Covid are hard to make, since the response was so different.)

The medical sector paid attention after the fact though, and supposedly the reaction to it basically created the (postmodern?) discipline of epidemiology !

10. nonameiguess ◴[] No.41872094{5}[source]
Who is "we" in this context? This thread is descended from people complaining about American policies and speculating that Biden is trying to make us into the USSR. The US is not Austria and never had fines for being unvaccinated. Vaccine mandates themselves were never federal and can't be. It's up to individual businesses and schools and what not to decide if they care. The government itself only ever mandated vaccines for its own employees. Lockdowns were similarly never federal and mostly on a city by city basis. Some cities hardly anyone was out on the street ever and in-person services businesses were closed for a long time. In other cities, virtually nothing changed at all outside of maybe a few months immediately after March 2020. Where I live, Dallas had a "lockdown" for like three months. This ended way before Ukraine was invaded.
11. sofixa ◴[] No.41872365{4}[source]
> Lockdowns appear to have been a good idea during some of the disease (i.e. before we knew how to treat it, and before vaccines became readily available), and became less important as the context changed.

Yeah, and those people have the habit of ignoring how bad things got at the start in a few countries (Italy and France come to mind, but there were others) where bodies were piling, there were military hospitals deployed in parking lots, hospitalised patients were being transported to other countries, people were dying, and there was a general lack of clarity and understanding of how to treat sick people, and importantly, lack of medical care capacity to treat them or any others (a friend had their uncle die because the ambulance took a few hours to arrive due to medical services being completely overwhelmed). Any country that looked into those countries and decided "nah, this doesn't concern us because we're better humans" was led by utterly incompetent idiots.

Did some countries overreact with their measures? Maybe, but based on the limited information available in 2020, overreaction was a better idea than doing nothing.

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13. mind-blight ◴[] No.41873400{5}[source]
I mean, the quick shift makes sense with vaccine deployments and the medical community figuring out how to deal with it all happening within a few months. We went from not being equipped to deal with the disease to being equipped in a pretty short window.

If governments were using covid as an excuse to control their population, then I would have expected them to hang on to the rules for as long as possible. Instead, we saw rules change as the context changed. That's generally not what totalitarian takeovers look like

14. bborud ◴[] No.41888595{3}[source]
> Either the lockdown policy before March 2022 was correct or the > sudden "back to normal" after March 2022 was correct. > The virus was still there and does not care about presidential edicts > and speeches.

It is tempting to conclude from this that you are saying immunization, through vaccines and post infection, played no role and that the situation before and after the lockdown was essentially the same in terms of risk of poor health outcomes if exposed to covid?

> Given the the world still exists,

Yes, the world where there were vaccines and lockdown. Not the alternative version where these things didn't happen.

> I think the pre-2022 policies were a > gross overreach and the cancellations of the likes of Malone are an > eternal shame for the U.S. that is comparable to what happened in > the Soviet Union.

Two questions:

1) what precisely are you referring to when you say "comparable to what happened in the soviet union"?

2) In the face of an outbreak of a contagious disease, would you be comfortable with government not implementing any restrictions that might slow or stop the spread of disease?

Would your answer to question #2 change if the disease in question was Marburg or Ebola? If yes, why?

15. bborud ◴[] No.41888618{5}[source]
Are you saying that the measures would have seemed more warranted if the phasing out of restrictions had been more gradual?