Most active commenters

    ←back to thread

    517 points xbar | 16 comments | | HN request time: 1.391s | source | bottom
    1. willio58 ◴[] No.39148556[source]
    Fully agreed. That the ICJ didn't order a ceasefire in this matter is honestly disgusting and just shows who's lives they value more.

    As an American Jew (non-religious), I cannot express enough how sad this entire situation has made me. I grew up learning about the Holocaust and learning how important it is for people to stand up when a government turns in that direction. Those morals meant I always knew that Israel was wrong in the situation with Palestine but this conflict has definitely lifted any clouds that remained on the situation.

    If you don't think Israel is a pure and simple apartheid state, I would very much recommend looking up the word in a dictionary. It's horrible that anyone has died on either side, but the imbalance at the current time in lives lost is just.. saddening. When it comes to genocide, it's one of those things where you know it when you see it and if you don't see it I say open your eyes.

    Israel and the west can continue to label millions of people as terrorists to justify their acts, but history will hopefully look at this event with more understanding and empathy for those people Israel have shoved into small corners and starved of resources for decades. October 7 was terrible and should not have happened, but do you blame the oppressed people or do you blame the powerful government that has oppressed them?

    2. frob ◴[] No.39148636[source]
    I would argue there has been massive condemnation of Russia by much of the west. The west is lobbing missiles at Russia. It's giving missiles to Israel to lob at Gaza.
    replies(1): >>39151095 #
    3. robertoandred ◴[] No.39148744[source]
    It’s not an apartheid nation. Over 20% of Israelis are Arab.
    replies(4): >>39148970 #>>39149289 #>>39149370 #>>39149943 #
    4. sebzim4500 ◴[] No.39148812[source]
    >Sponsors nations of Israel are now been warned

    Warned of what? That's what I don't understand. What possible consequences could there be for the US, UK, Germany etc.?

    You can't economically sanction a majority of the world economy, you are basically just sanctioning yourself.

    Not to mention what a war would look like.

    5. akira2501 ◴[] No.39148970{3}[source]
    Are they represented in any way in the Knesset? Are they treated the same is Jewish Israeli citizens when travelling? What about the Arabs in East Jerusalem? Are non Jewish citizens actually afforded equal protections under the Basic Laws? Does the "Law of Return" apply to non-Jewish Israelis? Economically, how are the Arabs doing compared to the Jews?
    replies(3): >>39149273 #>>39149334 #>>39149337 #
    6. nsguy ◴[] No.39149273{4}[source]
    Yes, Israeli Arabs are fairly represented in the Knesset, and in the courts, and everywhere. They carry an Israeli passport and are treated the same way and have the same travel rights.

    The people not treated the same are people that live in the occupied territories. The status of those territories has not been settled since 1967. I.e. the West Bank and Gaza. Israel accepts that those are occupied territories (it has not annexed them). The parties they were taken from (Jordan and Egypt) do not wish to take them back. So "Israel" proper does not discriminate against Arabs (broadly speaking) but the status of the occupied territories, that are under military rule, according to international law, is different.

    EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel#Politi...

    replies(1): >>39150040 #
    7. fathyb ◴[] No.39149289{3}[source]
    That's a weird argument: more than 60% of South Africans were Black during apartheid, where the term originates.
    8. bigDinosaur ◴[] No.39149334{4}[source]
    Indeed it does appear they have representation in the Knesset: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Kn...

    No idea about the rest of your questions, although the latter two are irrelevant (find any country where every group is doing just as well - it doesn't exist).

    9. strulovich ◴[] No.39149337{4}[source]
    Yes to all but the last.

    (That’s not to say they’re not infringed implicitly in the same ways a minority group in the US or Europe is, but the law gives Israeli citizens generally the same rights whether they’re Arab or not.)

    10. aprilthird2021 ◴[] No.39149370{3}[source]
    Israel also controls the lives of all Palestinians, so the total % of Arabs out of controlled citizens by the Israeli government is over 50%, but most Arabs are disenfranchised by Israel, that's the fundamental root of why it is an apartheid state
    replies(1): >>39149680 #
    11. hyperdunc ◴[] No.39149833[source]
    This is complete nonsense. Israel isn't pursuing genocide. They've killed less than 100,000 Palestinians out of several million. That's obvious restraint compared to what they could do if they really wanted to.

    You may not like Israel but the word 'genocide' is being abused here, and this whole ICJ ruling is theater.

    12. worksonmine ◴[] No.39149943{3}[source]
    A girl I know (Jewish) told me about the time she and her boyfriend visited Gaza like it was a trip to the zoo (her words). To her it was so strange how she could come and go as she wished, but they couldn't leave, ever.

    Think about that for a moment. What would you call such a place? How would you feel being born on the wrong side of the fence?

    replies(1): >>39150575 #
    13. bakuninsbart ◴[] No.39150040{5}[source]
    According to international law, you have to adhere to local law in occupied territories, which Israel isn't doing.
    14. robertoandred ◴[] No.39150575{4}[source]
    Who told you they couldn't leave? 40,000 people came and went every month.
    replies(1): >>39150906 #
    15. worksonmine ◴[] No.39150906{5}[source]
    She did, they needed a permit (work for example) and not everyone was able to get one. I don't have any numbers but they did not have the same rights as she and her boyfriend did. Foreign nationals might've had an easier time crossing.
    16. Beefin ◴[] No.39151095{3}[source]
    do you have a good military strategy for neutralizing hamas?