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ICJ orders Israel to prevent genocide in Gaza, stops short of ordering ceasefire

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517 points xbar | 12 comments | 26 Jan 24 14:35 UTC | HN request time: 1.331s | source | bottom
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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 14:39 UTC] No.39143094[source]▶
Glad to see Israel face some responsibility for its horrific acts against civilians.

> The court ruled that Israel must do all it can to prevent genocide, including refraining from killing Palestinians or causing harm to them

Sounds like a ceasefire to me. How else would they do this? Definitely not with any of the military tactics Israel is currently using.

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shmatt ◴[26 Jan 24 18:30 UTC] No.39146080[source]▶
Except SA specifically asked the court to require a ceasefire, which would have immediate consequences via security council vote and no more munitions landing in Israel. And the judges voted it down

This isn't a read between the lines situation, because SA's request was specifically for the court to temporarily rule for a full immediate ceasefire until the larger case could be heard

What is interesting here is that by mis-reading the verdict like yourself, and Israel assuming the worst, both sides immediately came out saying today was a huge win. So at least we have that, everyone (but the Palestinians, who aren't a side in this case) is happy

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smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 18:57 UTC] No.39146496[source]▶
Honestly I'm not trying to mis-read the verdict which is why I asked the question. I think all of Israel's strategies to date include the death of Palestinians. Since that's explicitly forbidden with that ruling, how will they continue to fight? Will they just ignore the ruling or change tactics?
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1. smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 19:10 UTC] No.39146688[source]▶
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2. johnnyworker ◴[26 Jan 24 19:12 UTC] No.39146715[source]▶
> They just asked Israel to try hard to minimize damage, which they already demonstrated they do.

Where, other than with mere hand waving? How did they explain away blowing courts and universities with rigged explosives? Soldiers bragging about "occupation, expulsion, settlement, annexiation"? All the talk about how there are no civilians in Gaza? How many people who said that has Israel prosecuted so far?

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3. dang ◴[26 Jan 24 19:13 UTC] No.39146733[source]▶
You've been using HN primarily* to conduct political battle on this topic for a long time now. You've already taken to doing this again, repeatedly, in this thread.

That's not in the intended spirit of what we want on HN, and especially not the spirit which I attempted to describe in my pinned comment at the top. Therefore, please stop.

* In fact, it looks like you've been doing nothing but that. I've already explained to you repeatedly and at length why that's not ok on HN. If you keep it up, we're going to have to ban you. (And lest anyone worry: no, this has nothing to do with agreeing or disagreeing with your views. You're plainly breaking both HN's rules and intended spirit, that is all.)

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4. xenospn ◴[26 Jan 24 19:14 UTC] No.39146748[source]▶
Sounds like you’ve been spending a little too much time on TikTok.
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5. dang ◴[26 Jan 24 19:16 UTC] No.39146792{3}[source]▶
Please don't cross into flamewar, regardless of what anyone else is doing.
6. bawolff ◴[26 Jan 24 19:20 UTC] No.39146856[source]▶
No, that was from south africa's request. That wasn't the wording the court used in its decision
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7. smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 20:15 UTC] No.39147597{3}[source]▶
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8. layer8 ◴[26 Jan 24 20:18 UTC] No.39147641{4}[source]▶
Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39146853.
9. bawolff ◴[26 Jan 24 20:40 UTC] No.39147983{4}[source]▶
Do you mean from page 2? Because that is the court just saying what each side requested. The actual order that the court gave is much later in the document.
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10. smoothjazz ◴[26 Jan 24 20:47 UTC] No.39148060{5}[source]▶
Ah ok, I see. You are correct, I did misread that part.
11. xdennis ◴[27 Jan 24 01:55 UTC] No.39151586[source]▶
So Israel told people to move to avoid collateral damage and you call that ethnic cleansing?
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12. dang ◴[27 Jan 24 01:58 UTC] No.39151611{3}[source]▶
Please don't post flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

I'm sure that you have legitimate reasons to feel the way you do, but you're posting to this thread in a way that is against the intended spirit, as I tried to explain it in the pinned comment at the top. Please don't do that. If you can't post in the intended spirit, that's understandable, but in that case please don't post until you can.

(Exactly the same thing, of course, goes for the commenters you're in disagreement with - for example https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39150923)