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marcopicentini ◴[] No.37371940[source]
Why not also tracking eco-anxiety?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-anxiety

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1. igravious ◴[] No.37372395[source]
“A new study published in the scientific peer-reviewed journal, Climate, by 37 researchers from 18 countries suggests that current estimates of global warming are contaminated by urban warming biases.

The study also suggests that the solar activity estimates considered in the most recent reports by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) likely underestimated the role of the Sun in global warming since the 19th century.”

https://www.ceres-science.com/post/new-study-suggests-global...

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2. olddustytrail ◴[] No.37372494[source]
Previously from Willie Soon:

"The paper was strongly criticized by numerous scientists for its methodology and for its misuse of data from previously published studies, which prompted concerns about the peer review process of the paper. The controversy resulted in the resignation of half of the editors of the journal and in the admission by its publisher, Otto Kinne, that the paper should not have been published as it was."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soon_and_Baliunas_controversy

Did it not occur to you to check this?

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3. lucb1e ◴[] No.37374116[source]
You don't wonder how they even found this? Between the amount of climate change affirming papers, you'd almost have to be looking at the list of recent controversies
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4. igravious ◴[] No.37374648[source]
> Did it not occur to you to check this?

No it didn't occur to me to check that two of the thirty-seven authors were involved in a controversy 20 years earlier. Concerning those resignations the article notes that, "In a Climate Research editorial pre-published on 5 August 2003, its publisher Otto Kinne expressed regrets about the resignations of von Storch, Goodess, and a third editor, Mitsuru Ando." And it should be noted that resignations are not proof of wrong-doing, especially in a hotly contested area such as this where pressure can be brought to bear on people in any number of ways. Furthermore, pointing to an incident 20 years ago to somehow smear research published recently is rather a gauche and ugly way of refuting a claim.

I think the claim that the paper makes that what scientists have been measuring (when it comes to global warming) is in fact the difference between urban and rural temperature readings due to the urban heat island effect and the effect of increasing urbanization over time. This is how science works, no? If scientists show that there are errors in this paper then all well and good but can we stick to arguing about research on the merits of the research itself rather than going after the people who make the claims, that whole tactic is getting rather tiring.

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5. igravious ◴[] No.37374656{3}[source]
Found what?
6. olddustytrail ◴[] No.37374923{3}[source]
Willie Soon is the lead author on that paper. A single glance at his Wikipedia page would have told you he's a completely discredited climate change denier who has sold out to fossil fuel interests.

I'm not interested in the millionth debunking of these idiots. Look it up for yourself if it's news to you.

Oh, and the urban heat island effect is taught to kids at school. The idea that all the climate scientists around the world somehow failed to account for it is just stupid.