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2OEH8eoCRo0 ◴[] No.34712639[source]
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Where is the evidence?

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1. arcticfox ◴[] No.34713038[source]
I agree that it's not an extraordinary claim, given the few players with the capability and at least theoretical motives. But it's an extraordinarily detailed claim.

And it seems to hinge on a single source (is my understanding of journalism broken, aren't you supposed to have confirmation of sources?), who clearly has an agenda given this quote: "The only flaw was the decision to do it." So even if the broad strokes are true, seems weird to publish off of a single source to me.

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2. hef19898 ◴[] No.34713394[source]
The capabilities are plenty, especially with countries around the Baltic sea, which is not very deep to begin with.
3. partiallypro ◴[] No.34713398[source]
> Literally no one outside Europe and North America (or maybe Australia?) ever believed it was anyone besides USA and its vassals. Only people who are constantly dosed with USA war media bullshit consider this an "extraordinary claim". Not all of us are that foolish, however.

This is completely irrelevant. Some people in Iran and Russia think the US is run by Satan. That doesn't make it so. Being anti-US is very in vogue, but that doesn't change the fact that your post offers no evidence itself and neither does this article.

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4. Sed47_ ◴[] No.34713694[source]
So you "believe" it was the USA based on what, again?
5. jessaustin ◴[] No.34715591[source]
Sure, skepticism is warranted, as is usually the case. Those who already suspected the USA military-industrial complex of taking this action that massively benefited the USA military-industrial complex are less likely to dismiss TFA out of hand. Others will have to see a great deal more reporting, and as seen here loads of credulous fools (or impersonators of such) won't believe it even 75 years from now when we have complete FOIA documentation. [0]

However, we may make a few predictions. Over time, as more details emerge, TFA will be shown to be basically correct yet wrong in some important details. As Hersh stipulates, he relies on a single source, which source probably slants a few points in self-interest. The same apologists for imperialism seen here in high dudgeon in total denial, will over time move to more nuanced positions: "of course USA did it, but Hersh portrayed it as something USA shouldn't have done rather than something that muh security demanded! USA couldn't have known that it would lead to European penury and/or nuclear holocaust! Also he claimed that Biden made a decision, when we all know he has been non compos mentis for years... You can't take credit for being right about USA militarism all the time just because you assume it's always evil and stupid." As the avaricious crackpot realism that has pulled us so close to the brink of extinction takes over more and more Western media, we'll see far fewer independent moderation decisions like that of 'dang here today. We can be sure that phone calls have already been made.

[0] That's a joke; USA definitely won't exist 75 years from now, and this event is both contributing cause and justification.

6. jessaustin ◴[] No.34763494[source]
I'm not going to include "evidence" about "Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Iran, Vietnam, Korea, Guatemala, Chile, Venezuela, Brazil, Nicaragua, Cuba, etc" in a four-sentence comment. It's no one's fault but your own that you are ignorant of history.