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1. vmception ◴[] No.25066799[source]
Well I mean yes, that's what we are doing right now because they are unrelated

The fan-less nature is a great design pattern

2. russler23 ◴[] No.25066807[source]
Those seem unrelated to me?

– a pro-vax fan-liker

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3. davidgould ◴[] No.25066974[source]
Back in the 1980s I used spend a fair amount of work time in rooms with a VAX and can attest to their powerful and noisy fans. If you are a pro with a VAX, you had better be a fan liker.
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4. ineedasername ◴[] No.25067048[source]
very treatable form of cancer

Nope, he pretty much died right on time in terms of median life expectancy for his form of cancer: https://pancreas.imedpub.com/prognostic-factors-in-patients-...

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5. ineedasername ◴[] No.25067055{3}[source]
I don't think VAX was the intended meaning in anti-vaxxer.
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6. Kbelicius ◴[] No.25067463[source]
Nope, that study is about survival of patients with his form of cancer and hepatic metastases. As far as I'm aware the cancer in Jobs was detected long before hepatic metastases.
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7. taejavu ◴[] No.25067651{4}[source]
It’s a joke son, it’s a joke
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8. russler23 ◴[] No.25067746{3}[source]
I’d like to say that I enjoyed first learning machine code on a VAX due to its orthogonal instructions and large fans, but it wouldn’t be true, because I learned on a MIPS machine.
9. tomhoward ◴[] No.25070004[source]
What a horrible comment, and a largely false one.

There's no record of Jobs being anti-vax (your comment is already the fifth Google search result for "Steve Jobs anti-vax", and the top four are nothing to do with him being anti-vax.

As for "eschewed almost all forms of modern medicine": completely false. He delayed surgery for his cancer - which was of a form that was known to be slow-growing and not especially lethal - for just 9 months, then decided to have conventional surgery. This is not "eschew[ing] almost all forms of modern medicine". It's just delaying for a relatively short period.

He later spoke of his regret about this delay to his biographer, so others would be warned against doing the same thing [1].

Even still, he lived for another 8 years after the diagnosis and was in good health for most of it.

Some experts dispute that his approach likely caused his death, and even suggest it might have extended his life [2].

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2011/10/24/steve-j...

[2] https://www.livescience.com/16551-steve-jobs-alternative-med...

10. ineedasername ◴[] No.25074798{5}[source]
I figured, but honestly wasn't sure. And either way, there VAX certainly had its share of anti-VAXers.

Personally I never much liked VAX myself, but that was primarily because my first experience of it was with VMS, and I'd previously used Unix. The difference was jarring.

Later in my career, I had no choice but to use VMS on an Alpha cluster, and grew to really appreciate it.

11. ineedasername ◴[] No.25074908{3}[source]
This analysis disputes that, indicating that the metastases not only may have been present, but also that waiting 9 months likely didn't impact anything. Of course it's based on probabilities, so his individual circumstances may have been different, but it's certainly sufficient to avoid the harsh determination that the only reason he died was due to his own hesitation for modern treatments. Personally I think that delay was misguided as well, but it looks very possible that the final results would have been the same:

https://centerforhealthjournalism.org/blogs/2011/11/10/what-...