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partiallypro ◴[] No.23350905[source]
Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political.

Everyone is applauding this because they hate Trump, but take a step back and see the bigger picture. This could backfire in serious ways, and it plays to Trump's base's narrative that the mainstream media and tech giants are colluding to silence conservatives (and maybe there could even be some truth to that.) I know the Valley is an echo chamber, so obviously no one is going to ever realize this.

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phailhaus ◴[] No.23351291[source]
Eh? Do you have any examples? This is nothing new, Twitter has been applying this standard to tweets for a very long time (it's part of their ToS!). It usually results in deleting your tweet or an outright ban. The only difference here is that they've kept the tweet up since they deem it to be in the public's interest.
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misiti3780 ◴[] No.23351358[source]
How about this one:

https://twitter.com/kathygriffin/status/1086927762634399744?...

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adamch ◴[] No.23351419[source]
You could say requesting dox is a form of violence. But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people. It's reasonable that a policy of removing tweets that glorify violence would catch one but not the other.
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lukaa ◴[] No.23351908[source]
''But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people.'' You know, he is president, that gives him right to use or threaten with violence if he thinks that safety of country is seriously in danger. If you think that he is breaking constitution there is court to decide about that.
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Jtsummers ◴[] No.23352366[source]
> ''But it's a lot less violent than ordering the military to shoot people.'' You know, he is president, that gives him right to use or threaten with violence if he thinks that safety of country is seriously in danger. If you think that he is breaking constitution there is court to decide about that.

That's actually not true. There are legal bounds to what violence he can and cannot threaten. The President is not a dictator, in which case you would be correct. And we don't have to wait for a court to decide that the order is illegal. Members of the military are actually supposed to refuse illegal orders, not obey them blindly like good little Nazis.

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1. Jtsummers ◴[] No.23352954[source]
> Unfortunately, what you are saying lead to anarchy.

That is a big, and unjustified, leap. Can you explain this assertion?

> You just said that we live in democracy.

I didn't say that, though it is a statement I'd agree with.

> In democracy disputes are settled in court.

This is not actually required to be a democracy. I'm not sure where you get this idea from.

Many things are already settled, either in law, the constitution, treaties, or, yes, court decisions, but do not require further court decisions. One of those is this: Military members are not obligated to follow illegal orders, and can actually be held accountable for failure to disobey.

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2. lukaa ◴[] No.23353174[source]
''Military members are not obligated to follow illegal orders''. Ok, but this is not clear situation. Violence exists, therefore it needs to be stopped. Police station is burned down. Once police is not able to stop violence using military is only option.
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3. Jtsummers ◴[] No.23353367{3}[source]
Police (and the military if they're being used as a police force) do not have the authority to fire on looters. It would actually be illegal. And an order to do so is, as a consequence, an illegal order.

Regarding the burning down of the police station, that is a different kind of violence and a violent response from the police would've been more warranted.

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4. lukaa ◴[] No.23354038{4}[source]
But what if looters as in this case are also burning buildings that they are looting?
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5. Jtsummers ◴[] No.23355057{5}[source]
Then that is a different circumstance. What's your point?