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midasz ◴[] No.23347216[source]
Wow. This man needs a lesson on how to deescalate a situation properly. Will this heavy handed approach really make people less angry? I doubt it..
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101404 ◴[] No.23347368[source]
The National Guard would go to stop violence, wouldn't it?

Pretty interesting how people even here try to invert the situation for political reasons.

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midasz ◴[] No.23347381[source]
You tell me, he quite literally says the military is with him and ready to shoot when people start looting.

Please tell me how I am inverting the situation? Or should I use your translation book to make sense of his tweets?

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liaukovv[dead post] ◴[] No.23347431[source]
If those "people" started looting my property i would have very much liked for someone to shoot them
midasz ◴[] No.23347492[source]
Ah so now they are "people"? The people who loot should be arrested and tried. Once you start using force many innocent people will be caught in the crosshairs, this will only further escalate the situation.
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liaukovv ◴[] No.23347529[source]
Yes, using violence in politics reduces their humanity in my eyes. They started using force, giving in only invites more violence in the future.
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totalZero ◴[] No.23347791[source]
This "if I back off, I will show weakness" mentality is precisely what leads so many police officers to use excessive force despite being surrounded by bystanders pleading for mercy on behalf of their fellow citizens.

When the people have to resort to violence to get public servants to do their jobs and relieve the wounds of injustice, the only appropriate response is to give them justice.

Lastly, I remind you that the public did not initiate the use of force in this riotous controversy. A police officer did.

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liaukovv ◴[] No.23347867[source]
You will show weakness and that weakness will be exploited again. How is that debatable is beyond me.

Police are allowed to use violence, that's their reason for existing, if that violence was misused it can be handled in non-violent way, that's what society is built around. It might not be instant or easy, but that's the difference between civil discourse and terrorism.

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1. anigbrowl ◴[] No.23347907[source]
It's not OK for the police to terrorize people. If they do so repeatedly, their authority can be revoked. I might remind you that people tried protesting this peacefully a couple of days with the conventional things like signs and chanting and got tear-gassed for their efforts.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.

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2. liaukovv ◴[] No.23348015[source]
So in this case you are advocating civil war?
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3. anigbrowl ◴[] No.23348125[source]
Is there something unclear about my choice of words?
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4. SpicyLemonZest ◴[] No.23348309{3}[source]
It just seems like you're failing to acknowledge the logical consequences of the idea. If the looters in Minneapolis are conducting a civil war, military force against them is justified and appropriate.
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5. anigbrowl ◴[] No.23354893{4}[source]
A great many people in this country feel they're already having military force deployed against them and that police are little different from an occupying army, so officially militarizing he conflict would just mean different colors of uniform and cleaner rules of engagement.

As a practical matter, a resort to military force in a domestic theater signals a failure of governance. And to the extent that it is attempted, it will further erode the support of the military for the civilian command; many veterans and active-duty personnel have no faith in the commander-in-chief, and history suggests that in such cases many troops choose to remain in their barracks.

To be sure, insurrection could have dangerous and bloody consequences, but that's why people are rebelling against it. Different people are rebelling for different reasons across the political spectrum; folk on the left are angry about the deaths of people like George Floyd or Breonna Taylor, folk on the right are angry about the death of people like Duncan Lemp or Randy Weaver. There are big differences between different groups because of differing notions about race, property, the social order, history, and so forth, but there's a wide consensus that the status quo is oppressive both at home and abroad and that regular folk feel trampled upon.

Was it not just weeks ago that the President, in response to heavily armed demonstrations in statehouses, was tweeting out 'Liberate Michigan! Liberate Wisconsin! Liberate Virgina - your 2nd amendment rights are under attack!' Now he threatens military force when a different group of people rise up against a different perception of tyranny. There's plainly a big disagreement in this country about what constitutes liberty, where life ends and property begins, and so forth - ideological questions that can be reasoned out to some degree, but highlight quite different basic premises held by people of different birth and experience. History is in many ways the tale of such fundamental disagreements.

Notions of justification and appropriateness are ultimately appeals to a higher authority - civic, judicial, parental, political, or religious. Once the nature and legitimacy of authority itself comes into dispute, differences are resolved by other means. In this historical moment people are choosing to seize authorship of their own lives rather than dully play the roles that were written out for them. Make of that what you wish.