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Traster ◴[] No.23322571[source]
I think this is going to be a discussion thread that is almost inevitably going to be a shitshow, but anyway:

There are people who advocate the idea that private companies should be compelled to distribute hate speech, dangerously factually incorrect information and harassment under the concept that free speech is should be applied universally rather than just to government. I don't agree, I think it's a vast over-reach and almost unachievable to have both perfect free speech on these platforms and actually run them as a viable business.

But let's lay that aside, those people who make the argument claim to be adhering to an even stronger dedication to free speech. Surely, it's clear here that having the actual head of the US government threatening to shut down private companies for how they choose to manage their platforms is a far more disturbing and direct threat against free speech even in the narrowest sense.

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m0zg[dead post] ◴[] No.23329911[source]
This right here gentleman is in charge of what Twitter deems "factually correct" and "safe" for you: https://twitter.com/yoyoel/status/796186371408789505

Just wonderful, absolutely unbiased human being, 100% "site integrity" guaranteed: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8361349/Head-Twitte...

So no, let's not "lay that aside".

croon ◴[] No.23330972[source]
Can you point to any false fact-checks?
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m0zg ◴[] No.23331000[source]
I can easily point out the lack of fact checks on statements made by people from the "correct" side of the political spectrum. Charlottesville hoax is spoken of as a fact by the likes of Joe Biden, for example.
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croon ◴[] No.23331117{3}[source]
I have no idea what "Charlottesville hoax" is, but googling it leads me to a book by an author I can't find any information on, claiming that the Charlottesville riots didn't actually happen.

I¨m hoping you are not suggesting the same? If so, we¨re not even operating in the same reality.

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m0zg[dead post] ◴[] No.23331176{4}[source]
It's unbelievable how much the US populace has been gaslit by liberal media if you _still_ don't know it. This refers to "fine people on both sides" comment deliberately taken out of context. Here's what Trump actually said:

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly."

Direct quote, you can easily find a full transcript and see for yourself. Yet you didn't even know this existed. You're being lied to every day and you don't even know it.

augustt[dead post] ◴[] No.23331401{5}[source]
What a hill to die on. You know who organized the protest? An actual neo-Nazi. This imaginary group of people who were marching alongside Nazis but weren't Nazis doesn't exist. And did you forget that the context for the outrage over "both sides" was that a white supremacist KILLED a counter protester? Not only was it an incredibly wrong thing to say, just from an optics point of view it was mind-bogglingly stupid.

And as a note, every single time someone cries out because a quote of his is "taken out of context", the full context is just as damning. It's not the gotcha moment you think it is.

1. RonaldRaygun ◴[] No.23332272[source]
Maybe he just believes, as I do, that if you're marching down the street with a bunch of people carrying swastikas and chanting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us", and you don't do what any rational, caring person would do and immediately realize you're at a white nationalist rally and disassociate yourself, then guess what? You're not a "very fine person", you're a white nationalist, or at the very least, a sympathizer. It's really not complex or confusing at all.
2. croon ◴[] No.23334213[source]
> Classic topic switching technique that nonetheless does not work on those paying attention.

> Same with "Steele dossier"

I have trouble taking seriously this amount of irony.